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01 Oct 2020, 7:18 am

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So if someone starts on here dismissing my personality as a 'disability', I will point out the ways in which NT personality could similarly be pathologised or treated as negative.


My attitude is that we are not wrong, we are different.
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NTs/allists and their societies have a hideous list of dysfunctional traits.
Simple analysis can see that. 8)



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01 Oct 2020, 7:21 am

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Yes that wasn't what I meant to say at all, I actually understood Starkid's post I didn't get upset about it. No problem there. I would like you to delete the angel bit, I was just being descriptive without giving it enough thought, my ADD. I understand my thoughtlessness. Thanks magz.


To the Dungeon with her! :evil:



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01 Oct 2020, 7:44 am

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Yes that wasn't what I meant to say at all, I actually understood Starkid's post I didn't get upset about it. No problem there. I would like you to delete the angel bit, I was just being descriptive without giving it enough thought, my ADD. I understand my thoughtlessness. Thanks magz.


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The cliche is, the jester goes to the dungeon.
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I don't feel, even if only autistics are on this Site, that this site will be much of an oasis. Saying this, NT's bashing autistic people for being autistic should be dealt with at least rather severely.

There are many autistic people here who exhibit at least some of the characteristics that they bemoan in NT's.

One example is: Clannism. The act of keeping "others" out of the 'club" is the ultimate in clannism. Very much an NT characteristic.



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01 Oct 2020, 7:49 am

Pepe wrote:
NTs/allists and their societies have a hideous list of dysfunctional traits.
Simple analysis can see that. 8)

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I would rather this site be a haven for those on the spectrum.
There are a gazillion other sites out there for allists.

It is like going to a gay club.
It is there primarily for gay people.
I really don't have a problem with my reasoning here.
I hope that doesn't make me a bad dude. 8O



Why the divisive rhetoric?

This is meant to be an inclusive and welcoming site.

Why are you trying to exclude people from this community?



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01 Oct 2020, 7:54 am

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Why the divisive rhetoric? ...
It does sometimes seem as if people are trying to exclude people they don't like, and then trying to come up with reasons why they should be excluded afterward.

Sorta like arresting someone first, and then looking for something with which to charge them later.



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01 Oct 2020, 7:56 am

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This is not a Site exclusively for people with autism or with Aspergers.

It is a Site for people who have a positive, vested interest in autism—whether NT or not NT.

Alex would, most likely, say the same thing.


I would rather this site be a haven for those on the spectrum.
There are a gazillion other sites out there for allists.

It is like going to a gay club.
It is there primarily for gay people.
I really don't have a problem with my reasoning here.
I hope that doesn't make me a bad dude. 8O

I have heterosexual friends who visit gay clubs - either they like the atmosphere, or they have close gay friends who celebrate their big days there.
As I understand, in a gay club, no one asks you about your preferences before entering, it's okay to enter when you're not gay, it's okay to explain that you're not gay when someone tries to pick you up - but if you come in to tell people they need to be cured of their homosexualism or that God hates them, you'll be kicked out in an instant.

So, I think, the simile is not that bad.


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01 Oct 2020, 7:58 am

You're not a bad dude....you're better as a skunk, though.



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01 Oct 2020, 9:32 am

Syd wrote:
Pepe wrote:
NTs/allists and their societies have a hideous list of dysfunctional traits.
Simple analysis can see that. 8)

Pepe wrote:
I would rather this site be a haven for those on the spectrum.
There are a gazillion other sites out there for allists.

It is like going to a gay club.
It is there primarily for gay people.
I really don't have a problem with my reasoning here.
I hope that doesn't make me a bad dude. 8O



Why the divisive rhetoric?

This is meant to be an inclusive and welcoming site.

Why are you trying to exclude people from this community?


Where did I say they should be excluded?
I didn't.
I said they should behave as "Welcomed visitors/guests".

Why do I feel angry?
20 to 30 years of gang-stalking by NTs for one thing. :mrgreen:



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01 Oct 2020, 9:39 am

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I have been attacked (and continue to be ridiculed) for being NT on this forum (I think I have been held responsible for the removal of one poster (actually he dug his own grave) who still has fans on this site so I try to avoid triggering folk as quite a few hide behind the "I'm autistic and you don't know what we go through" argument."

And yes, ridiculing NTs is probably permitted here because NTs have made life miserable for many on this forum but some balance is probably required given so many members are married to or have friends and family who are NT.

When male aspies post in the "Women's Forum", they need to be cognisant that it is a forum for women.
I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect the same from NTs who are welcomed visitors to a website dedicated to those on the spectrum.
I have *always* thought there was something not right, in the past, in this regard.

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And we need to be cognizant that NT’s are welcomed visitors not enemies when we rant, stereotype or to a certain extent make jokes about them.


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01 Oct 2020, 9:42 am

Fnord wrote:
Syd wrote:
Why the divisive rhetoric? ...
It does sometimes seem as if people are trying to exclude people they don't like, and then trying to come up with reasons why they should be excluded afterward.

Sorta like arresting someone first, and then looking for something with which to charge them later.


I like both Teach51 and cyberdad.
I have never said that NTs should be excluded in coming here.
My position is I'd rather they view themselves as guests, the same way male autists are guests in the women's forum.
Quite straight fnordward, I would have thought. 8)

This is just my preference/opinion.
I have no say here, remember?
And it is nothing personal. :wink:



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Pepe wrote:
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I have been attacked (and continue to be ridiculed) for being NT on this forum (I think I have been held responsible for the removal of one poster (actually he dug his own grave) who still has fans on this site so I try to avoid triggering folk as quite a few hide behind the "I'm autistic and you don't know what we go through" argument."

And yes, ridiculing NTs is probably permitted here because NTs have made life miserable for many on this forum but some balance is probably required given so many members are married to or have friends and family who are NT.

When male aspies post in the "Women's Forum", they need to be cognisant that it is a forum for women.
I don't see why it is unreasonable to expect the same from NTs who are welcomed visitors to a website dedicated to those on the spectrum.
I have *always* thought there was something not right, in the past, in this regard.

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And we need to be cognizant that NT’s are welcomed visitors not enemies when we rant, stereotype or to a certain extent make jokes about them.


That is your opinion, yes. 8)



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01 Oct 2020, 10:02 am

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There are ,IMO ,major problems in just looking at functioning in the context of ASD symptoms . Those symptoms should only be part of, and not the whole of, how well a person is reckoned to function.

I've had , until the last few years,my difficulties dismissed or trivialised because verbally I'm very intelligent. The trouble being that doesn't transfer to a more non-verbal/practical environment. The longer difficulties are dismissed or trivialised the less any potential you may have is going to be fulfilled. Throughout all that there's the negativity of people when you don't match up to their erroneous expectations.

How do you measure severity of one’s autism? Various autistics may have the same level of functionality but gotten there by different means. Person A and Person B may have similar levels of functionality but Person A had to work much harder to get there because they are “more autistic” or because they grew up and live in a more “autistic unfriendly” environments or both. Person C and Person D may have similar levels of autism and similar backgrounds but different levels of functionality because Person C tried harder then Person D. Yes Person D might be a lazy moocher or that person just puts less priority to fitting in.

IQ/intelligence is a co morbid that if you have less of it is going to make it harder or impossible to fit in conjunction with the severity of your autism.


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01 Oct 2020, 11:51 am

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And I notice C PTSD and narcissism share so many of the same traits even abused victims have wondered if they are a narcissist. And one of the misconceptions about narcissism is that narcissists never think they are a narcissist. Wrong, there are self aware ones. I even even found narcissist blogs that are written by narcissist and it's been about how they discovered they are one and how they are trying to heal from it and how they cope with the fact they are one.


I got a PM from a mod about my post in this thread and to clear things up here as I told in PM:

I said abused ones have wondered if they were narcissists. I didn't imply they were one. Then I said C PTSD and narcissisms have similarities. They wonder if they are one because of similarities and then they discover C PTSD and it makes more sense to them.

It's like how people can wonder if they are autistic only for it to turn out they have ADHD or social anxiety.


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01 Oct 2020, 12:32 pm

I have edited your post in question to make it less prone to misinterpretations.

We are autistic people. We are prone to miscommunication. We often need clarifications first :heart:


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01 Oct 2020, 1:27 pm

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You're not a bad dude....you're better as a skunk, though.


A bit too scrawny for my taste. :wink:


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