Treatment of High Functioning Vs Lower Functioning on W.P

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02 Oct 2020, 10:44 am

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I understand your analogy perfectly, and it is only one of the reasons why I stopped giving "try harder" pep talks -- some people are simply unable to put forth more effort. Another reason, however, were the hostile reactions from people who seemed to see the words "Try harder", read them as "You stupidlazygoodfornothing...", et cetera (like my teachers used to do when I couldn't understand their lessons), and start s***storms against me that would go on for days.

Teachers who bully or are insensitive can leave permanent trauma ... I just got thrown out of class when I was a kid for not sitting like a statue.

Back in the 1960s, such behavior from a teacher was never recognized as 'bullying'. Instead, the student was further punished by being told that he deserved to be treated that way, which only motivated me to prove them all wrong.

Some kids would break, others would become rebellious. School is a horrendous place IMO.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:44 am

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At this moment, it's all moot. I have no desire to put myself through another s***storm of hatred and lies over two little words, so if someone wants to complain about being a constant failure, then it is not up to me to suggest any means of improvement. I'm due to retire soon, anyway, so why should carry other people's baggage for the rest of my life? No reason. No reason at all...

So it's 'try harder' or nothing? ::smh

Steve, wasn't it you I applauded for apologizing to Fnord a while back? I even dedicated a song to you no? You both made up then.

It was me ,yes. So? There's nothing wrong with a little disagreement between two people, is there? I'm not upset...and I doubt Fnord is either. If he is and I misread the situation, sorry Fnord. Just having a bit o' fun.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:45 am

Wow, this thread turned into the "try harder" and "not enough effort" argument.

This can also apply to me as well, I could never overcome my learning difficulties and could never learn harder math. I really tried and thought I can get over it if I tried harder. But there are even things NTs wouldn't be able to do. My youngest brother had to quit chemistry class because it was too hard. This was an elective class.

I also tried softball and I wanted to be a professional ball player in high school and no matter how hard I tried, I could never become a professional.

If everyone can just try harder, everyone would just be an astronaut or a mathematician. If only we all tried harder. :wink:

Also there would be no more disabled people in the world, if only they tried harder.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:46 am

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There's nothing wrong with a little disagreement between two people, is there? I'm not upset...and I doubt Fnord is either. If he is and I misread the situation, sorry Fnord. Just having a bit o' fun.

That's called "bullying" -- having fun by causing grief for someone else. Thank you for admitting it. Reported.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:47 am

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That's called "bullying" -- having fun by causing grief for someone else. Thank you for admitting it. Reported.

oh ffs. what grief have I caused? you gave as good as you got. perhaps I need to report you as well?

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02 Oct 2020, 10:48 am

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So it's 'try harder' or nothing? ::smh

Steve, wasn't it you I applauded for apologizing to Fnord a while back? I even dedicated a song to you no? You both made up then.

Nothing wrong at all. I just thought you were amazing at the time. It's not always easy to apologize. I admired you for it. Not in the context of this thread, my ADD mind convoluting and associating.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:49 am

Steve1963 wrote:

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That's called "bullying" -- having fun by causing grief for someone else. Thank you for admitting it. Reported.

oh ffs. what grief have I caused? you gave as good as you got. perhaps I need to report you as well?

Go ahead. I insist.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:49 am

Fnord wrote:

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That's called "bullying" -- having fun by causing grief for someone else. Thank you for admitting it. Reported.

oh ffs. what grief have I caused? you gave as good as you got. perhaps I need to report you as well?

Go ahead. I insist.

Well...you did swear a bit earlier in the thread. That is against the rules, no?

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02 Oct 2020, 10:50 am

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02 Oct 2020, 10:51 am

sorry magz. :oops:

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02 Oct 2020, 10:51 am

I can't tell if fnord is joking or is he serious because he didn't realize Steve1963 was just playing round and wasn't serious. These misunderstandings can be so easy to have online because you can't hear tone and see their body language. I also can't tell if steve1963 is being serious or sarcastic back and if they are both having a fake drama or a misunderstanding.

I do like humor though.

Oh well, I guess I will start reporting members here for whenever they misunderstand me. (now this was a joke here)

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02 Oct 2020, 10:52 am

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Also there would be no more disabled people in the world, if only they tried harder.

Your sarcasm is noted. Some people can never succeed no matter how hard they try. Because it is impossible to tell the difference on-line between those people and the ones who can succeed if they try harder, it is best not to suggest that anyone tries harder at all.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:54 am

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It seems to be a very American thing ,that you can succeed at anything you want to , with the right amount of effort. It's addle brained bunkum. I had piano lessons from 8-13 as an extra curricular activity at my prep school . I had zero aptitude for it. Despite trying my best I couldn't even get to grade I level.

I somehow managed to get through all of comprehensive school without scoring a single try or goal. Everyone has a couple of things they're bad at.

I was picked last for a side , and then put in goal if playing football. That gave the other boys an extra excuse to bully me as I let in a heap of goals.

I had similar experiences, except I was actually a pretty decent goalie because I read Vladislav Tretiak's book religiously and would get anyone who was willing to take shots or even just throw tennis balls at the net to do so to give me something to practice stopping.

It never meant any sort of long-term acceptance, but at least it meant I could be 'part of group' for awhile.

Mind you, outside of school I never did very well in sports or had much interest. Once I stopped watching hockey I never really cared for playing any sports.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:55 am

There are times when “trying harder” has yielded benefits for me.

It should be used more in the professional than the amateur ranks. A professional has more aptitude in his/her profession.

I’m an amateur runner—I put forth an effort to get better, but no matter how hard I try, I just can’t do a marathon in under 3 1/2 hours. It wasn’t in the cards during the best of times. Now, a 6-hour marathon would be great!

I could have been a professional writer if I put in more effort. I have an aptitude for it (not usually shown on WP lol).

Unless you know a person “in person,” it’s very difficult to determine if simply telling a person “try harder” would actually help a person do better.

Online, it’s just about impossible.

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02 Oct 2020, 10:56 am

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I can't tell if Fnord is joking or is he serious because he didn't realize Steve1963 was just playing round and wasn't serious...

One form of bullying behavior (and a hallmark of NPD), is for the bully to attack his or her victim no matter what he or she says or does (e.g., "Damned if you do and damned if you don't"), and then tell the victim that he or she was "only joking".

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02 Oct 2020, 10:58 am

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Also there would be no more disabled people in the world, if only they tried harder.

I could never overcome my poor reflex, so all the "try harder" stuff from PE made me only hate it.
I had to grow up to adulthood to discover I actually can enjoy some sports - but I needed to take a completely different approach: Choose something you like. Don't try harder. Take your time. Focus.

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