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03 Aug 2010, 5:54 pm

Just seems like one of those people who enjoys making people feel uncomfortable. I knew a girl like this when I was 12, she knew I didn't like being stared at and she would sit staring at me for like 5 minutes.

What you need to do is hand his arse to him by saying something really witty and making him look like an idiot. I wish I had more ideas :/



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03 Aug 2010, 6:02 pm

As I said, attempt to destroy him with wit and logical debate. Belittle everything he says, look at him like he's a moron, and make him realise that he is a failure of a human being.


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03 Aug 2010, 6:17 pm

This kind of advice will end up like George Costanza trying to come up with witty comebacks.

You can't outwit a bully like this. The whole reason why the bully is zeroing in on the OP is because the OP doesn't have the social fluidity required to "destroy and outwit" him. With "logical debate", no less. It will be a slaughter.



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03 Aug 2010, 6:26 pm

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So he can go on to have his "fun" with others who do find them irritating right?


Please don't blame the victim.


Until people start standing up and denouncing the sort of behavior he is engaging in...he will keep doing it to anyone he perceives as an "easy target".


Why is that we always expect the victims to alter their behavior rather than expecting
the perpetrators to do so?

Why must we always go out of our way to accommodate bullies when they face little or no repercussions for their bullying?


You are developing a pattern with gross misinterpretation of my posts. I speak purely from personal experience. Let's look at the guy's options:

1) Punch the bully. IN CHURCH. Yeah, that will end well.
2) Punch the bully. Outside of church. But this will end even worse, because nobody will understand what provoked him.
3) Verbally confront the bully. The bully has far superior talking skills, a louder voice and a more sympathetic audience. This never works. They will out-talk you and make you look like a fool. When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
4) Ignore the bully. Never works.

Therefore, I suggested the only way is to learn to accept this energy without being confrontational. Once the bully realizes he isn't rattling you, and actually you're starting to come off as normal, and he as the "trying too hard" one, he will have to do one of two things:

a) Try to rattle you stronger (which will make his intent more obvious to witnesses)
b) Give up

After all, he can't punch in church either.




I could say the same about your interpretations of my posts.


I wasn't suggesting that your solution isn't sound. I just think that too many people are focused entirely on defensive and after-the-fact strategies and not nearly enough on counter-offensive and preventative ones.





For example..when are we going to start EXPELLING bullies from our schools (rather than merely suspending them or something since most will actually enjoy a few days home from school) and "blacklisting" them?

When will bullies otherwise face significant consequences (even if said consequences involve social ostracism which is serious enough for many
people) for their behavior?

I am fully aware of the fact that bullying will never entirely disappear from the earth and thus, your suggestions are quite sound. Individuals will always have little other recourse to some degree or another.

But I think it's time that bullies truly have something substantial to fear which will make them think twice before they decide to verbally, emotionally and physically abuse others.


There's plenty of things which were once more or less socially acceptable which will today get you fired, ostracized, banned from one civic organization or another, etc.....

I see no reason why bullying shouldn't be among these things. It is no more acceptable to abuse, discriminate against and denigrate people because
of harmless personal characteristics than it is to do the same to black people
because of the color of their skin.



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03 Aug 2010, 6:35 pm

The problem, Horus, is that you offer no solution that the OP can use. And you did steamroll me with accusations in your prior post. Blaming the victim my ass.



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03 Aug 2010, 6:50 pm

I think that the best thing you can do is talk to the pastor and explain the situation and how it makes you feel. He is the leader of the church and it's up to him to sort it out. If he doesn't, go to a different church.

I had a situation in church where someone kept making comments to me that really upset me. I ended up bursting into tears. My pastor was upset I hadn't told him sooner. He told the guy in no uncertain terms to lay off or else. It never happened again.



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03 Aug 2010, 6:54 pm

OK that is just wrong that somebody in CHURCH is doing that.


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03 Aug 2010, 6:59 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Just seems like one of those people who enjoys making people feel uncomfortable. I knew a girl like this when I was 12, she knew I didn't like being stared at and she would sit staring at me for like 5 minutes.

What you need to do is hand his arse to him by saying something really witty and making him look like an idiot. I wish I had more ideas :/


Where is the book called "How to be witty?"


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03 Aug 2010, 8:21 pm

Wow, haven't been on WP for several hours. So many posts!! Hmm...I obviously can't outwit him with words since if I was skilled in talking, he wouldn't make fun of me in the first place.

Confronting him could work, but I'm not sure how the rest of the crowd would react. I guess it's possible that it could work since other people may have already noticed this but are unwilling to speak up and they just keep silent about it pretending nothing happened. Yes, he is actually 10 years older than me, I think he had his 30th birthday sometime ago (maybe he is less than 11 years older than me).



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03 Aug 2010, 8:27 pm

jc6chan wrote:
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Maybe you need to call him out on it.

Something like:
"Does making fun of people with neurological disorders at church make you feel superior or something?"

Do it in front of a bunch of people the next time he tries to make you look bad.

Uh...in front of a bunch of people? I can't picture myself doing that. And he's like a size bigger than me.



I am a 190 pound bodybuilder.

So, here is what ya do.


-Have me fly out to your church

-Stand next to me while you ridicule him

-There problem solved.



No, this wouldn't work as we don't even know each other, but it sure as heck felt good to type. I hate a**holes like this guy



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03 Aug 2010, 8:28 pm

monsterland wrote:
The problem, Horus, is that you offer no solution that the OP can use. And you did steamroll me with accusations in your prior post. Blaming the victim my ass.





That's true....I didn't.

I did say your solution was a sound one however.

It's just not the only one in a general sense and yet it's the only one
everyone seems focused on.

That said....it sure SEEMS like alot people are implying alot of blame on the victim's part.

If you're not....then my apologies. I have experienced and witnessed more than enough examples of blaming-the-victim, so perhaps i'm hyper-sensitive to it.



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03 Aug 2010, 10:57 pm

There's a difference between "blaming the victim" and "acknowledging his weak points" when it comes to dealing with this bully.

If you encourage someone to use their weak points to protect themselves, they get hurt even more.



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03 Aug 2010, 11:02 pm

monsterland wrote:
There's a difference between "blaming the victim" and "acknowledging his weak points" when it comes to dealing with this bully.

If you encourage someone to use their weak points to protect themselves, they get hurt even more.




Fair enough....no disagreements there.



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04 Aug 2010, 12:22 am

Heres something you can say. Try to make sure there are people around to see this.

"Go Away!!" Then walk away.

If he follows you turn to him and yell "I said Go Away!!" then walk away again.

If he still continues to follow you yell "Stop Harrassing me!!" then run off.

It will appear in front of everybody in the church he is harrassing you and making you upset. Then go to whoever will listen and complain talking about how he is harrassing you everytime you are in the church and you are sick of it. He knows you are different and he is making life hell for you because of that.


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04 Aug 2010, 8:40 am

I don't think there are people at my church who act exactly in the way described in the OP. There's someone at my work who's somewhat like that. Would be worth saying he's a former Catholic priest himself. One example of this is he asked personal questions about the organisation's finances in the BANK and when I rightly refused to answer them, he aggressively, coldly responded that he was just trying to make polite conversation.

Although at church many people are very patronising in the way they talk to me, because they can instinctually tell I somehow come across as being different. These tend to be older women who are among the more (at least outwardly) sanctimonious, pious people at church.

The social experiences I've had there have put me off the church environment, I'm afraid, and I seldom go now, one reason being I feel like people like this are proof Christians are no better than other people and Christianity is no better than other ways of life. Because there's as much bullying in Christian circles as elsewhere, I'm not going to get away from it there.

My minister is not supportive and as for an example of this he harassed me into a healing session on account of Asperger's, unable to be convinced it isn't an illness.

I think one or two of the suggestions that have been given in this thread sound like good comebacks for the problems you're experiencing with this guy at church asking questions.



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04 Aug 2010, 9:47 am

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He would purposely ask me questions while grinning and then he would laugh at the fact that my answers are short or weird. He is aware that I can't keep up a normal conversation. I think he asks just to "make a funny scene". And when I answer questions that is more than one word, he and other people are like "oooohhh!! ! That was more than one word!!"

The weird thing is that he is like 10 years older than me, so I don't even know why he bothers to be so immature.

You can try calling it to the attention of a minister or counselor. Have someone in charge talk to this guy. Most the time, when they get called out by a higher power, they are contrite and will straighten up, especially if they are asked to either shape up or leave.