To 'Low-functioning' Autistics:
I can be. It's complicated.
Okay, here's the deal with FC: A person with a movement problem, who can't talk, wants to use a communication device. They are literate or they can use pictographs, but they can't control their movements well enough, or they have mental fatigue that makes it hard, or they tend to perseverate and get stuck. So somebody else can hold their hand and do most of the work of moving it toward the pictures or letters.
The trouble with FC is that it is sometimes used by people who want non-verbal kids to communicate and, rather than the actual child communicating, it's the facilitator either deliberately producing movement, or more often, using the person's hand like a ouija board pointer (cf. the ideomotor effect). That is a problem because not only does it shut off whatever communication the person was capable of, because the text communication is seen to supersede it, but it puts words in their mouth that they never meant to say. Instead of facilitating communication, it silences them.
FC should always be carefully checked to make absolutely sure the message is coming from the client. When someone is holding a client's hand to help them use a communication device. there is always the chance of contaminating the message or fabricating it entirely. So it is best for the facilitator to be completely unaware of the conversation, perhaps by wearing noise-canceling earphones so they do not know what is being said and cannot unconsciously manipulate the reply. Some of the FC scandals have been uncovered as quackery by the simple method of asking two different questions, one to the facilitator and one to the client, and seeing which one was answered. The facilitators were often completely innocent, as deceived as anyone else, because to them it really felt like the client was the one doing the pointing.
Many people who initially needed help to use a communication device move on to typing independently. Assistance of this sort should not be ignored as a possibility, but everyone involved needs to be educated about the problem of fabricated messages or contaminated messages and every step needs to be taken to move the client on to either independent typing or using an assistance animal for any direct contact that needs to be made.
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Okay, here's the deal with FC: A person with a movement problem, who can't talk, wants to use a communication device. They are literate or they can use pictographs, but they can't control their movements well enough, or they have mental fatigue that makes it hard, or they tend to perseverate and get stuck. So somebody else can hold their hand and do most of the work of moving it toward the pictures or letters.
The trouble with FC is that it is sometimes used by people who want non-verbal kids to communicate and, rather than the actual child communicating, it's the facilitator either deliberately producing movement, or more often, using the person's hand like a ouija board pointer (cf. the ideomotor effect). That is a problem because not only does it shut off whatever communication the person was capable of, because the text communication is seen to supersede it, but it puts words in their mouth that they never meant to say. Instead of facilitating communication, it silences them.
FC should always be carefully checked to make absolutely sure the message is coming from the client. When someone is holding a client's hand to help them use a communication device. there is always the chance of contaminating the message or fabricating it entirely. So it is best for the facilitator to be completely unaware of the conversation, perhaps by wearing noise-canceling earphones so they do not know what is being said and cannot unconsciously manipulate the reply. Some of the FC scandals have been uncovered as quackery by the simple method of asking two different questions, one to the facilitator and one to the client, and seeing which one was answered. The facilitators were often completely innocent, as deceived as anyone else, because to them it really felt like the client was the one doing the pointing.
Many people who initially needed help to use a communication device move on to typing independently. Assistance of this sort should not be ignored as a possibility, but everyone involved needs to be educated about the problem of fabricated messages or contaminated messages and every step needs to be taken to move the client on to either independent typing or using an assistance animal for any direct contact that needs to be made.
This is a great point!
I also agree this is actually a great thread. I'm hoping to see more replies, honestly suprised there aren't more.
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I would have thought there aren't many on here because there are quite a few who can't communicate (including via text).
I "watched" this thread because I have a son who is profoundly/severely autistic [insert other way of describing it that you prefer] who doesn't communicate at all (yes we are trying to teach him to type and use other augmentative communication devices, with no luck) and was curious to see the responses. Sadly he doesn't communicate (yet?) so he can't answer these questions for me himself.
Just thought I would comment since I also have 2 on the spectrum. My 12 year old daughter is moderately on the spectrum and my 9 year old son is higher functioning. My oldest did not get services as quickly and my 2nd got services by 18 months.
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Although facilitator influence can occur, it can also help people who need help with potentially purposeful movement.
Some FC users have gone on to type independently.
Well, I hope so. That movie was probably my favourite movie about autism ever, but then I read more on this method, and was saddened. In the movie, they don't type independently.
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I recall AdamAutistic posting about wanting a boyfriend, and I believe his signature says he has an LFA diagnosis.
I don't think you can generalize about such a huge population of people.
If someone is emotionally deprived in some way, I always feel like there must be a way to help fulfill these needs; but to do so, these needs have to be properly recognized first. Getting these kinds of answers at least helps me know what to look out for.
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As to the comments about this thread being insensitive, as somebody who finds it almost impossible to deduce implicit meanings and to know how what I say is being interpreted by others, these comments honestly make me feel scared about posting any sort of curiosity questions that aren't just about myself on this forum. That is not right. This is meant to be a safe place for people on the spectrum and not a place for personal attacks, especially considering the OP clearly stated his intentions.
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As a mental health professional you are provided with the tools and resources to "objectively" address the needs of your clients and understand them as individuals. Interpreting what people write on forums in order to gain insight into your own clients opens up the risk of attribution errors. Remember each person with ASD is just one person with ASD. What works for one person may not necessarily work for another.
Asking people about their sexuality without any context is a little bit unprofessional (I'm assuming from your web link you are a psychologist). However I don't recall anybody attacking you specifically? one or two critical posts were leveled at Norny whom (I thought) explained himself.
You don;t need to be scared about asking questions. This is a forum after all. Just frame your questions in a diplomatic way, be respectful and provide constructive context so that the reader understands the reasoning behind the question.
We don't get all of the tools. Perhaps because the trainings we get are devised by people who don't have autism, there is not a lot of focus in the trainings on what is the underlying cause of, for example, emotional problems that the clients experience; the focus is primarily on observable behaviours only (not thoughts and feelings). It's hard not to think about these things and wonder about them and try and see how they come together as a whole within that person.
You don;t need to be scared about asking questions. This is a forum after all. Just frame your questions in a diplomatic way, be respectful and provide constructive context so that the reader understands the reasoning behind the question.
As for the attack, I just got irked because I actually take attacks toward others personally. I find I am so sensitive that when I see emotionally charged comments or actions directed at others, I am very strongly affected by them. It drains me big time and that's why just getting through a day can be a challenge.
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I also know that you have mentioned that you don't feel physical pain but you feel emotional pain when people abuse or neglect you. For me, sometimes emotional pain will manifest in physical sensations and actually cause me physical pain. Do you also feel physical sensations from emotional pain? Do you actually also feel when people touch you or is it just not actual pain that you are able to feel. You have a gorgeous picture of you hugging one of your chickens that you used to use as an avatar. I imagine that you can feel the warmth and softness of his or her feathers against your skin. But I am wondering how you feel physical sensations. I have always been curious about that with people who cannot feel physical pain.
Thank you for helping us understand how you feel and perceive things.
yes skibum,it feels like they are an extended part of self, have always felt the same way when horse riding to.
animals are like best friends,will interact with ants even; and will bury any dead animal that find if am able to get hands on them as no one woud allow a human to be left lying somewhere.
with mental pain,it feels like electric shock build up inside head and will bash it against a wall or use hand to punch it,cant say have ever gotten physical symptoms apart from when have been so stressed its caused worse headaches.
as for the chuck in the old avatar pic,that was tito;he was best friend ever, for a cheeky light sussex cockerel he was the calmest and friendliest around self and the nieces of mine,very protective of us,he only acted up for one of the support staff because he was a total dik and woud pick tito up by the wings so tito woud jump kick and nip him.
was able to feel his feathers very well and have still got one of them pride of place on a horse riding trophy,am actualy hypersensitive to touch but brain doesnt process pain unless its deep inner caused [like general headaches,stomach pain].
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Thank you for explaining KOR. What you said about how you feel like an electric shock is in your head with mental pain, I think I can kind of understand how that might feel. When I am feeling backed into a corner or verbally attacked, I get a type of pressure buildup feeling in my head. It can feel sharp sometimes and the only way to make it feel better is to bang my head. I usually use the palms of my hands. This way it is more effective and can be less prone to injury. I do feel the physical pain from hitting my head though and I will have a headache afterwards but the physical pain is better to feel than the mental pain.
Tito is a beautiful chicken. It made me really upset when I read that someone had taken him from you.
I feel very close to the animals in my life as well. I feel like they are friends and family and I bond very very deeply with them. Even my cats who passed away years and some even decades ago, I still feel very close to.
I really think that even though we are on opposite ends of the Spectrum there are things that we experience in a similar fashion. I really like that. I think it's really cool. And as I learn more, when I meet and see people who are more severely affected than I am, I can relate to them better and treat them with even greater understanding, sensitivity, dignity, and respect.
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I think that FC is a scam, and there are ways to learn to language for communication other than FC.
Before I learned that FC is a scam, I wondered why the written thoughts of severely autistic people were so neurotypical.
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Before I learned that FC is a scam, I wondered why the written thoughts of severely autistic people were so neurotypical.
I'm very disappointed if it is a scam. I don't think it is purposely a scam and probably works to some extent.
Reading the posts from autistic people on WP, I can't tell the difference from neurotypical thoughts, except that people talk about their autism experience.
When I read the blogs of Larry and Tracy, I think it is their thoughts.
+ Do stereotypes commonly associated with moderate-severe autism or intellectual disability affect your mood and/or stress levels, or are you able to completely overlook and/or be apathetic toward such things due to the nature of your being?
+ How do you consider those with whom you interact with the most?
+ What are your favourite things to do in life?
+ Do you ever feel socially embarrassed (e.g. when you spill something on yourself)?
None of these questions are intended to be malicious, and should only be interpreted as they are written.
Thanks.
1.it does people think that low function means sick and diseased as swell as numb with no feelings or love. I am so used to hearing this talk and have given people several lectures.
2 I consider them as people who are kind and generous but are still new on autism.
3. Go on youtube, swim, draw, play with my dolls
4.yes especially when I thew up while in the hospital on the floor and got food all over myself when eating
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Before I learned that FC is a scam, I wondered why the written thoughts of severely autistic people were so neurotypical.
I'm very disappointed if it is a scam. I don't think it is purposely a scam and probably works to some extent.
Reading the posts from autistic people on WP, I can't tell the difference from neurotypical thoughts, except that people talk about their autism experience.
When I read the blogs of Larry and Tracy, I think it is their thoughts.
FC writings usually have a lot of social and emotional content, it seems to me, and I am not able to write that much social and emotional content, which is why those writings seem more like neurotypical thoughts to me.
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