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28 Jul 2019, 6:04 pm

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I all for research...and for the Scientific Method, by the way.

I’m not a “get red under the collar” sort of guy.

But the anti-vaxxers advocate not vaccinating their children, without realizing what vaccination has done throughout history to alleviate disease and suffering.


I think what frightens people so much, is that pro-vaccination people will not admit that vaccinations MIGHT have some negative consequences. Which is absurd, when you think about it. Any substances have an ability to impact our bodies and minds in a different way than usual. If pro-vaccine people would just admit that "we dont know EVERYTHING about vaccines guys, some weird stuff might be happening here", then anti-vaxxers would probably not be as freaked out and would agree to get vaccinations, and just space them out more so they arent getting all of the vaccinations at once. Of course, there will always be people from both sides that will refuse to budge. (I have no problem getting vaccines, by the way. I would simply space them out what I thought was a safe distance. I think other people are just terrified though, cause the other side wont admit anything at all.) :P



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28 Jul 2019, 6:06 pm

There are adverse effects from anything....even some from Tylenol.



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28 Jul 2019, 6:08 pm

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There are adverse effects from anything....even some from Tylenol.


Everyone ADMITS that there could be some adverse affects from Tylenol and other substances though. I think the unwillingness to admit that this MAY be the case with vaccines, is what scares some people so bad, and makes them just refuse vaccines completely. I think that their thought is "if these people are lying about this, then they dont care about me and my family at all, and i cannot trust them."



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28 Jul 2019, 6:28 pm

You can get food poisoning from food. Would that be a reason to be an anti-eater?



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28 Jul 2019, 6:33 pm

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You can get food poisoning from food. Would that be a reason to be an anti-eater?


Everyone is aware that you can get food poisoning from unclean foods though. I think that being lied to is causing anti-vax people to use poor judgement when it comes to vaccines. So, antivax people are giving into fear and then making bad decisions (bad), while pro-vax people are being stubborn and not admitting that vaccines could have side effects that we dont know about yet (also bad). The whole thing is a sh!t show lol



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28 Jul 2019, 6:42 pm

So, what people are saying here is, the vaccination is not THE cause of autism, but could be A cause of autism.

Damn. If I'd not had the vaccine, and survived MMR, I would probably be NT (if the vaccine DID cause my curse). :cry:


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28 Jul 2019, 6:45 pm

For me it'a question of odds . The risk of something bad happening because an adult/child doesn't have a vaccination vs the risk of something bad happening because they do have a vaccination.



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28 Jul 2019, 6:55 pm

firemonkey wrote:
For me it'a question of odds . The risk of something bad happening because an adult/child doesn't have a vaccination vs the risk of something bad happening because they do have a vaccination.


yeah, but the problem here (as i mentioned earlier) is that a lot of anti-vaxxers arent SEEING the correct odds ratio in their mind, because they are being lied to. Some anti-vaxxers accept that they are being lied to about possible risks of vaccinations, and dont allow it to flaw their judgement, but most just freak out about it. Being lied to about what might affect you and your familys health touches VERY close to home for some people. This is why a lot of antivaxxers just COMPLETELY shut down and completely refuse any vaccinations, in my opinion.



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28 Jul 2019, 9:41 pm

I wouldn’t wait till age 3.

Many kids under age 3 pick up the diseases they would be vaccinated against.



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28 Jul 2019, 10:05 pm

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So, what people are saying here is, the vaccination is not THE cause of autism, but could be A cause of autism.

Damn. If I'd not had the vaccine, and survived MMR, I would probably be NT (if the vaccine DID cause my curse). :cry:


No, not in one case ever has a vaccine ever caused autism. Whoever is selling you that idea can screw off.


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28 Jul 2019, 10:43 pm

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Joe90 wrote:
So, what people are saying here is, the vaccination is not THE cause of autism, but could be A cause of autism.

Damn. If I'd not had the vaccine, and survived MMR, I would probably be NT (if the vaccine DID cause my curse). :cry:


No, not in one case ever has a vaccine ever caused autism. Whoever is selling you that idea can screw off.


All you need to know whether someone is "selling" you something or not is to know that it is dumb to speak in absolutes. Humans are imperfect creatures, so when they say things like "never" and "always", you can be assured that they dont know what they are talking about. The rational thing to say is "we dont know everything, we are imperfect." And on that note, to admit that there may be unseen side effects to vaccines, and that yes, some of these side effects may be harmful and/or MAY cause autism.



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28 Jul 2019, 10:45 pm

How about this? While we can't be absolutely certain that vaccines don't cause Autism, there is, to date, no evidence that they do.

I would say that the odds that vaccines cause Autism would be roughly the same as the odds that eating carrots causes cancer. And no, I don't think that eating carrots causes cancer.


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28 Jul 2019, 10:46 pm

jngyslate wrote:
Arganger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
So, what people are saying here is, the vaccination is not THE cause of autism, but could be A cause of autism.

Damn. If I'd not had the vaccine, and survived MMR, I would probably be NT (if the vaccine DID cause my curse). :cry:


No, not in one case ever has a vaccine ever caused autism. Whoever is selling you that idea can screw off.


All you need to know whether someone is "selling" you something or not is to know that it is dumb to speak in absolutes. Humans are imperfect creatures, so when they say things like "never" and "always", you can be assured that they dont know what they are talking about. The rational thing to say is "we dont know everything, we are imperfect." And on that note, to admit that there may be unseen side effects to vaccines, and that yes, some of these side effects may be harmful and/or MAY cause autism.


I would swear on my own life, on my afterlife if it was mine to give, that VACCINES HAVE NEVER CAUSED AUTISM A SHOT CANNOT AND NEVER WILL REWIRE AN ENTIRE BRAIN


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28 Jul 2019, 10:46 pm

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How about this? While we can't be absolutely certain that vaccines don't cause Autism, there is, to date, no evidence that they do.

I would say that the odds that vaccines cause Autism would be roughly the same as the odds that eating carrots causes cancer. And no, I don't think that eating carrots causes cancer.


I say even less :)


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28 Jul 2019, 11:31 pm

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jngyslate wrote:
Arganger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
So, what people are saying here is, the vaccination is not THE cause of autism, but could be A cause of autism.

Damn. If I'd not had the vaccine, and survived MMR, I would probably be NT (if the vaccine DID cause my curse). :cry:


No, not in one case ever has a vaccine ever caused autism. Whoever is selling you that idea can screw off.


All you need to know whether someone is "selling" you something or not is to know that it is dumb to speak in absolutes. Humans are imperfect creatures, so when they say things like "never" and "always", you can be assured that they dont know what they are talking about. The rational thing to say is "we dont know everything, we are imperfect." And on that note, to admit that there may be unseen side effects to vaccines, and that yes, some of these side effects may be harmful and/or MAY cause autism.


I would swear on my own life, on my afterlife if it was mine to give, that VACCINES HAVE NEVER CAUSED AUTISM A SHOT CANNOT AND NEVER WILL REWIRE AN ENTIRE BRAIN


and you know this because? because some imperfect scientists told you so? ok. All i said was that speaking in absolutes is dumb! :roll:



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28 Jul 2019, 11:33 pm

jngyslate wrote:
Arganger wrote:
jngyslate wrote:
Arganger wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
So, what people are saying here is, the vaccination is not THE cause of autism, but could be A cause of autism.

Damn. If I'd not had the vaccine, and survived MMR, I would probably be NT (if the vaccine DID cause my curse). :cry:


No, not in one case ever has a vaccine ever caused autism. Whoever is selling you that idea can screw off.


All you need to know whether someone is "selling" you something or not is to know that it is dumb to speak in absolutes. Humans are imperfect creatures, so when they say things like "never" and "always", you can be assured that they dont know what they are talking about. The rational thing to say is "we dont know everything, we are imperfect." And on that note, to admit that there may be unseen side effects to vaccines, and that yes, some of these side effects may be harmful and/or MAY cause autism.


I would swear on my own life, on my afterlife if it was mine to give, that VACCINES HAVE NEVER CAUSED AUTISM A SHOT CANNOT AND NEVER WILL REWIRE AN ENTIRE BRAIN


and you know this because? because some imperfect scientists told you so? ok. All i said was that speaking in absolutes is dumb! :roll:


Because it's personal.
It assumes my brain is damage.
It turns my brain, my entire life into a monster under the bed to scare young mothers out of protecting their children.


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