How strict is your conscience?

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I don't think that. They're both equally bad. Just that the aspie psychopath likely isn't socially skilled enough to blend in or gain power.

I try not to be an a**hole to people, nor do I try to intentionally pull social manipulative games that can screw them over. I do not flame people unless they start it, in that case I can try out my new and creative and weird insults...that and use other guys' flames and add them on to mine. Granted what is considered 'trolling' or 'being an a**hole to people' is tenuous and some of the stuff I did (my deviantart journal at http://warsie.deviantart.com/journal/22549695/ where I listed the stuff I did that I remember I did 'for the lulz') might be considered pretty mean....but I did it in an environment that was conducive to it or at least tolerant about it; e.g. my racist arguments in debate team, me being african-american and arguing it makes it less offensive than if a caucasian person was arguing it; you know he's doing it for lulz or kicks; that and I point out it's only a debate and not real; and debate teas have a reputation for doing cases like that)

ripping off flames: "hey. that's a nice flame you used on me. I'll use it against you now"

EDIT: yes I hate injustice and biases and social hipocrisy, but im too lazy to go on regarding that now

Sometimes very confused because I can be troubled with other emotions but when I calm down or get counselling - I realise I was way out of line.

Okay, fair enough.

Aspie would more likely to be Sociopaths because they are known to be loners. Psychopaths are not as such and can be very accepted in certain circles.

Fair enough.

Having a strict conscience and a rigorous morality is not necessarily an Aspie trait. I know NTs who are strict and straight in their morality.

What makes an NT neurotypical is an inherent intuitive ability to "mind read" other humans and this ability shows up rather early in life. Aspies either don't have the ability at all or have it to a diminished degree. This trait is not tightly bound to having a strict conscience.

ruveyn

Conscience and empathy are in fact tightly bound, IMO.

IIRC don't many autistic people end up absorbing other peoples' emotions like a sponge subcounciously and they often don't notice it for a while, and in some cases are too empathic (in groups that can lad to a cascading failure or chain reaction; lol...)

Strict conscience is better than strict morality IMO.

Conscience = the golden rule
Morality = the golden rule + some other arbitrary rules used as a good excuse to judge others


Aspies and NT's alike are pretty bad at "mind reading" from my experience.

I suppose I'm better at being weary of negative emotions than caring about the positive emotions. I have a strong averse reaction to pain/discomfort in people around me and I can't bring myself to cause someone else discomfort unless I'm angry with them. On the other hand I'm not good at going out of my way to make people feel good. I don't compliment much nor generally do I do favors unless asked.

Once, I told a guy that I thought I might have AS. He told me I was probably just a sociopath. I really didn't like him, everything he tried to talk to me about enraged me. I wish he would have just talked about Finance (his M.S.), but he wanted to talk all about women. JEEZZZUUSSS H. CHRIST. He was one person that I was not capable of listening to at all.

It was with me the case when I was younger, but it helped a lot when I came across the writing of Marcus Aurelius: The most humans are just this way, it is their very nature, so I can't really blame those for being so and therefore I shall not bother myself to much.

That's true, but with me I replaced this lack of ability with a set of logic and just rules, which I found were self evident and turned nearly mad, when others did not observe this simple rules.

With me I found the solution in the Stoic philosophy that any action or though of others or anything else outside my mind shall not bother my mind at all.

But, this is my way, I can't promote this way for others.

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Well, I am STILL more moral than most, and I used to be far more so. You pretty much HAVE to develop a "thick skin" to survive in this world.

As for being part of AS, it DOES kind of go along with the bluntness, naivete, reluctance to lie, etc... And I know a LOT about lies that are told, etc... I even know a few secrets, such as it is LEGAL for someone such as madoff, to sell security products to institutions!! !! !! !! The security laws SPECIFICALLY allow for the abcense of any knowledge, license, or responsibility when dealing with someone that should know better. So if I WANTED to lie(I don't), and I was good at it(I'm not), I certainly could. I mean it certainly isn't out of ignorance.

I cannot identify with this topic.

I think a conscience can be pretty useless and idiotic.

There are so many people with a noticeable conscience on this planet that harm others despite that their conscience should make them good people.

I mean, if a conscience makes you a good person (and a lack thereof a bad person), then why's it that all those people with their oh-so-great conscience strive to have wars, bully, think of others as 'annoying' because of their religion, home country, believes, neurological state... that's so pathetic. To think of oneself as 'a good person' and be blind to the truth that says you're not a good person because you think and do wrong.

I don't feel guilty about or feel worried about injustice or feel horrible when I'm not acting compassionate or anything.

And I think that's a lot better than most people have it. Because I know for me, when I act compassionate, 'empathic' - it's because I want to, because I pondered and came to the conclusion it's usually the most sensible way and the only logical -

not because I have a nagging feeling called conscience that forces me to be nice and tortures me when I'm acting not so nice. I don't need a nanny who monitors my behaviour.

I like things to be accurate and true. So if somebody throughout admits they're a dangerous, horrible bastard than I like that a lot better than someone who says they're good but who don't realise their conscience doesn't save them from doing horrible things.

That much for conscience making you a good person as most of society believes. That's laughable.