Why do Ntypicals not want us to work?

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19 Dec 2010, 5:42 pm

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I'm just glad it's almost over in 2012, when the nukes finally start dropping, or aliens invade or what ever. I suck at life..... I suck at this "new life". I should have joined the army.


...you do know, i assume, that the world won't actually end in 2012... the mayan calendar thing is just made up to scare people. it's ended what, 12, 13 times now? (this will be the 13th or 14th time, i think)
when the mayans were around, the calender ending was a cause for celebration.

everyone knows that.....


We'll find out fairly soon :wink:


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19 Dec 2010, 7:51 pm

If the Myans were good at prediction why aren't they around today? I do not put much credence to the end of the calander predictions as the end of civiliaztion.

If society did end though I would be the first to start hunting down the NTs for fun, profit, and food I will have my fun before I die.


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19 Dec 2010, 7:58 pm

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If the Myans were good at prediction why aren't they around today? I do not put much credence to the end of the calander predictions as the end of civiliaztion.

If society did end though I would be the first to start hunting down the NTs for fun, profit, and food I will have my fun before I die.


It's one thing to predict something, and another to do anything about it.


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19 Dec 2010, 9:20 pm

Moog wrote:
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If the Myans were good at prediction why aren't they around today? I do not put much credence to the end of the calander predictions as the end of civiliaztion.

If society did end though I would be the first to start hunting down the NTs for fun, profit, and food I will have my fun before I die.


It's one thing to predict something, and another to do anything about it.


If they predicted their own end and did nothing to prevent then they deserved to die out.


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20 Dec 2010, 1:02 am

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If the Myans were good at prediction why aren't they around today? I do not put much credence to the end of the calander predictions as the end of civiliaztion.


Thats the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.


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20 Dec 2010, 1:20 am

Are NT's discriminating against AS? I doubt it, I think they are picking up of, from what is apparant from this forum, a LOT of self pity and anger at the world which is creating a belief that there is someone to blame.

I'm diagnosed AS, I have worked since I was 15, and am now a Senior Accountant. Lose the persecution complex perhaps things will improve.



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20 Dec 2010, 1:27 am

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Are NT's discriminating against AS? I doubt it, I think they are picking up of, from what is apparant from this forum, a LOT of self pity and anger at the world which is creating a belief that there is someone to blame.

I'm diagnosed AS, I have worked since I was 15, and am now a Senior Accountant. Lose the persecution complex perhaps things will improve.


You got what you are because of you, not because NT's advanced you through pity or other things. Believe me, an Aspie can drop the persecution complex, BUT NT's will never lose their negative attitudes towards those that are different.



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20 Dec 2010, 1:58 am

Craig28 wrote:
fb5b wrote:
Are NT's discriminating against AS? I doubt it, I think they are picking up of, from what is apparant from this forum, a LOT of self pity and anger at the world which is creating a belief that there is someone to blame.

I'm diagnosed AS, I have worked since I was 15, and am now a Senior Accountant. Lose the persecution complex perhaps things will improve.


You got what you are because of you, not because NT's advanced you through pity or other things. Believe me, an Aspie can drop the persecution complex, BUT NT's will never lose their negative attitudes towards those that are different.


Well i say "screw 'their negative attitudes'". I shan't give up until i get where i want to be



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20 Dec 2010, 5:05 am

fb5b wrote:
Are NT's discriminating against AS? I doubt it, I think they are picking up of, from what is apparant from this forum, a LOT of self pity and anger at the world which is creating a belief that there is someone to blame.

I'm diagnosed AS, I have worked since I was 15, and am now a Senior Accountant. Lose the persecution complex perhaps things will improve.


Well said.



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21 Dec 2010, 12:09 pm

NTs will continue to oppress us until we start demanding civil rights like other groups have done.In the mean time guard your job if you have one and try to get training or education to enable you to get a decent career.Use disability legistlation to fight when it suits you to.Choose your battles and be prepared.



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21 Dec 2010, 12:13 pm

Lose the "I`m allright Jack" attitude,not all of us can be desk jockeys or number crunchers.A lot of us have been through hell-just because you had an easy ride does not mean everyone else has.Uncle Tom aspies make my balls ache....

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Are NT's discriminating against AS? I doubt it, I think they are picking up of, from what is apparant from this forum, a LOT of self pity and anger at the world which is creating a belief that there is someone to blame.

I'm diagnosed AS, I have worked since I was 15, and am now a Senior Accountant. Lose the persecution complex perhaps things will improve.



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21 Dec 2010, 1:19 pm

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Are NT's discriminating against AS? I doubt it, I think they are picking up of, from what is apparant from this forum, a LOT of self pity and anger at the world which is creating a belief that there is someone to blame.

I'm diagnosed AS, I have worked since I was 15, and am now a Senior Accountant. Lose the persecution complex perhaps things will improve.


Good for you.

I've also worked since I was 15. But my own challenges have left me in tenuous situations along several axes of how success is contemporarily measured.

The world does not persecute me. But it is fabulously, sublimely, and irrevocably indifferent to my existence. There is a phrase "Your ship will come in". The pessimistic response is that "I missed it when my ship came in". For some autistics, they don't even know there is a harbor so all this talk of ships is nothing but confusing.


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21 Dec 2010, 1:42 pm

wavefreak58 wrote:
fb5b wrote:
Are NT's discriminating against AS? I doubt it, I think they are picking up of, from what is apparant from this forum, a LOT of self pity and anger at the world which is creating a belief that there is someone to blame.

I'm diagnosed AS, I have worked since I was 15, and am now a Senior Accountant. Lose the persecution complex perhaps things will improve.


Good for you.

I've also worked since I was 15. But my own challenges have left me in tenuous situations along several axes of how success is contemporarily measured.

The world does not persecute me. But it is fabulously, sublimely, and irrevocably indifferent to my existence. There is a phrase "Your ship will come in". The pessimistic response is that "I missed it when my ship came in". For some autistics, they don't even know there is a harbor so all this talk of ships is nothing but confusing.


Exactly.

I do not have a "persecution complex," I am merely a cynic. No one is "picking" on me, but people are largely indifferent to me with any discrimination on their part being largely due to ignorance and unconscious tribalism.

But "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" is only feasible when one has access to bootstraps to begin with. Alas, people have a propensity to attribute all of their success in life to "hard work" and the success of others to be the result of "having advantages," while being perfectly blind to their own advantages in life. When it comes to employment, it's ultimately not up to you if you get a job or not, it's up to the Gatekeepers in the HR office. You can be the hardest working mofo in Dodge, but if the hiring manager doesn't like your shade of lipstick, you're boned. That's not even counting people with real hurdles.

I fail to see why some people feel that their personal situation can extrapolate to the general population. Good for you for being the right person in the right place at the right time for the right job; it ain't so for many of us.


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22 Dec 2010, 3:08 am

I've met kind NT's who believe aspies have an equal right to work, and some of these NT's help aspies in the workplace.

I've also met NT's who don't care to understand aspies, or their needs.

The commonality between the NT's of each group, I find, is their beliefs and priorities. The former group believes in equality and prioritises rights and needs of people. The latter group believes in the bottom line and prioritises profit.

If you want to work find a boss who believes in equality and walks the walk.

Here in New Zealand we have Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) compliance ratings for businesses. Those whom successfully comply tend to be more suitable for Aspies and other people for disabilities.

Is there a similar system in US and Europe?


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Ahaseurus2000 wrote:

Here in New Zealand we have Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) compliance ratings for businesses. Those whom successfully comply tend to be more suitable for Aspies and other people for disabilities.

Is there a similar system in US and Europe?


There are EEO laws on the books in the U.S., but I don't know of a rating system. Is this a government run rating or done through a private organization?


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