Anders Behring Breivik -Aspie?

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Not an expert but this NPD with fanatic tendancies seems more likely.
His loner status seems to have been a deliberate choice.
He seems to do too much posing.

I pose the question would ABB and Hitler would likely have the same diagnosis?

How is anyone to know that you are using a colloquialism rather than meaning "the whole of" or "the greatest number of". I'm not being nit-picky, but your assumption lends the sentence a whole new meaning.

the guy just seems crazy and is not worth the attention.

Lack of empathy

and compassion

and objectless anxiety



in both ASD and NPD.

The thing is, I can see this being used to make life difficult for those that might have commonalities with him and parts of his manifesto.

For instance:

- I have visited the EDL forum a few times. The EDL link has been heavily pushed here in Britain by the left-wing press, though it seems to not be substantial. (Though I never posted there and am more or less an occasional visitor - I don't have much time for the EDL in any case, they're mostly football hooligans.)
- I would probably vote/be a member of the Progress Party if I lived in Norway. (The BBC even tried to heap blame on FrP for what Breivik had done when in fact he stopped being a member in 2007.)
- I agree with him that politicians have utterly ignored the public on immigration, especially from Muslim countries.
- I used to play violent video games and like violent films.
- I've never had a girlfriend.
- I'm considered very 'odd'.

And so on.

There are a lot of people out there with very extreme views, some of whom he's probably conversed with who are probably now a) stunned at what's happened and b) sh*****g themselves - i.e. of local or international police attention - that they had been talking to a future mass murderer when they had nothing to do with it. They might just be loonies on an Internet message board, or shaven-headed morons who go out and march sometimes... whatever they are, they're not likely to go out and murder people in a rampage.



Then you've a lot to learn. Supporters of scumbags will attempt to justify all kinds of vile crimes.

Exactly. and jared loughner has been diagnosed with schizophrenia

This.

omg wtf are you talking about?

I'm just saying that his trying to justify what he did makes me sick.

And when I say *crime*. I mean nothing like what he did.

Because it wouldn't matter, even if I were.

I'm asking people here if they relate to him.

Seems like a lot do. I don't necessarily understand it, but whatever.

I'm saying that there are most likely parts of his 'manifesto' that lots of people would agree with. There are lots of bits of his manifesto that are most likely batshit crazy that very few people would agree with.



People will justify themselves. People related to them will try to justify them if they have a common cause - thankfully, not in this case. Even his own father wished the guy had just killed himself rather than create that amount of misery.



Point still applies though.

If your a loner forumite, without a girlfriend, on the spectrum, who is often thinking of ways to improve humanity, because your life is s**t, of course you would identify with him. Doenst mean I agree with him or his views or would emulate his actions

Please stop being such an antagonistic contributor to the thread, implying are you 'just like him'....because we want to discuss and understand him

You sound just as imbalanced to me right now

What I'm trying to say that an awful lot of people would agree with at least some of what is in his manifesto. Probably millions of voters in Europe would agree with at least some of the points he makes - about mass-immigration, about the EU, about other things. Those voters would then read everything else in his manifesto and conclude that he was a total effing nutcase.

Hell, a lot of people might read Mein Kampf and agree with bits of that even. The vast majority of it would repulse many people though.

And that's the difference.

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To put it another way: the National Front would like to leave the EU and restore British sovereignty. I want both. Does that make me likely to agree with the rest of the views of the NF?

My life currently IS s**t. I guarantee you.

But I could never *believe* or even begin to think that doing something like what he did would change that.

I don't think most people with AS would, either. I can't say, though. Don't know. And i didn't read all of you reply but I saw the word "antagonistic".

really?

How?

For asking questions?

I think the problem here is quite complex until we break it down. Since T mentioned the NF let's start here. Quite a number of the NF views sound quite reasonable, and in fact they are They are resonable because they state factual obseravations about what makes a positive, sustainable neighbourhood and how immigration directed by local authorities and central government has destroyed long established neighbourhoods.

Mein Kampf made some reasonable observations about the human condition after WW1 and the devesting effects of poverty and mass unemployment in Germany.

I haven't read much more than snippets of the manifesto but what I have read sounds like standard recycled very right wing ideology. Some of it will sound reasonabable because it is based on common experiences of whole sections of the population in Europe who haven't shared the benefits of mass immigration , benefits which seem to be limited to a specific social, political and economic group .

None of this is unreasonable, what is freaking unreasonable ( to me) is the the methods they chose to
deal with those problems. And the problem with this is it is used by opponents of reasonable arguments ( because they are benifiting from the situation, not because of intellectual integrity ) to stigmatize, even prosecute anyone who chooses to argue against them by lumping their reasonable arguments with nutters, mass murders and fringe political parties.

Anders Breivik,I think had largely an abstract relationship, an 'in his head' relationship with what he believed to be his country and his fellow people. You could argue that this is a common contemporary phenomena because of the way we have become individualised, dispersed from traditional family and neighbourhoods. But something is Breivek intensified this. Having no reasonable outlet for his frustrations mass murder was they route he sought.

What he fails to produce is reasonable action, and this questions what lies at the heart of the ideology he uses to organise observation and fact in his manifesto . So what needs to be done is to separate reasonable observation from ideological and his own personal distortion in his manifesto?

Meme

One thing common to Anders and his ilk is disaffection, loneliness and isolation

Think Columbine, I dont remember all the names, but many mass murderers and serial killers

were unhappy and lonely peps, unable to find real love,many spectrumites, most who were bullied and ostracised into a lonely place by NT society, where they embraced extremism and hate for their oppressors

Many here are similarly disaffected by an NT society, unwilling to properly integrate aspies or neurodiverse.

Its a bit like a tied up bored dog. The isolation causes problems, not just for the dog, but for anyone who has anything to do with said dog.

They bite someone, then get put down. However, the person/s responsible for raising and caring for that dog, gets to have another dog and do the same.

As such, another Anders is being made right now.

Lonely, unable to find love, desperate for a real life, a spouse and happiness. The loneliness drives them mad.

They only wanted to be loved...