Autism Is Not An Excuse To Do Nothing

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06 Mar 2015, 5:50 pm

Why do we have to "improve" to a certain standard that's set by other people, though? Why not just live and let live?

Besides, not everyone believes life has a meaning, or that there's a destination we all must strive to get to.


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06 Mar 2015, 5:54 pm

I think we should improve because we want to improve. I believe we should aspire to evolve...always.

If somebody is content with their "present condition," I don't judge. I, myself, have been complacent for a long time; I haven't really "evolved" in a long time, in real terms.

It bothers me, though, when people just give up and preclude themselves from evolving--ever.



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06 Mar 2015, 6:04 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Why do you think it isn't possible for someone else to make an assessment and judgement call as to whether someone else is utilizing their time well or not?

Because it's impossible to know the benefit that someone is getting from their activity.
Video games keep coming up as they represent some accepted standard of valuelessness. There was a time when I played games relentlessly and it helped me to work out some things I was going through. I haven't played a game in years, but I wouldn't say they are valueless.
Activities have to be put in context.

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If one can observe someone spending ALL of their time on one thing that doesn't help them obtain their basic needs (food, shelter, clothing, medicine etc) & does come at the opportunity cost of learning/doing/achieving other things that would make them a more well rounded person leading a more enriched life then one can determine that the value someone gets from whatever singular activity they partake in is not the sort of value that advances their development in.. life in general.

Again, your criteria lack context. And what is wrong with singularly focusing on a project? Some great ideas have come from such behaviour. I see that as a strength of autism.



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06 Mar 2015, 6:06 pm

People don't have to improve in anything if they don't want to.
It's their choice to improve in something, if they want to.
Some may want to, and choose to, but not be able to.
Others may be able to, but not want to or choose to.
Others may want to, choose to, and do.


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06 Mar 2015, 6:08 pm

I would say that Einstein, when he was a certain age, was absolutely obsessed with quantum physics, to the exclusion of everything else.

Wouldn't you say that was a pretty healthy obsession?



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06 Mar 2015, 6:36 pm

^ If he didn't "succeed", he would have been a "failure" and it wouldn't have been healthy. It wasn't healthy even though he did succeed.


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06 Mar 2015, 6:39 pm

It was certainly "healthy" for the subsequent evolution of physics.

I don't believe Einstein suffered too much because of this obsession. He was actually a pretty amiable, witty man later on in life, with a few quirks.



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06 Mar 2015, 6:52 pm

I know!

That's why I read books and drink booze!



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06 Mar 2015, 6:57 pm

http://blogs.capecodonline.com/cape-cod ... rd-carver/
From what I've read and seen, Elmer Crowell spent much of his life making wooden bird carvings--this story says he routinely did it six days a week.
Tons of photos of his work on the web--I got a chance to see a lot of his work in a barn somewhere...



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06 Mar 2015, 7:07 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
On a largely unrelated note, here is something to not be able to stop watching:
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What kind of animal is this?
Don't you think it should be out there doing something productive instead of sitting around eating and twiddling it's ears? It's obviously going to get nowhere in life with that attitude.


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06 Mar 2015, 7:14 pm

LOL.....but Nature determined that "twiddling his ears and doing nothing" is an optimal existence for this creature. Should this creature try to do something productive, he/she will be ostracized by others of his/her species.



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06 Mar 2015, 7:43 pm

Haven't read all this thread, but, we're all different, so it's different strokes for different folks.

As someone free range unrecognised as ASD for over half a century I personally don't need an excuse to do nothing. The work ethic is a bubbling crock of excrement in my humble opinion. So's Pride.

That said, I'm fanatical about sax playing, but, the Universe being so big, how much does it matter whether I do it or not? Suppose it keeps me fit, and can't actually smoke whilst playing the thing.

"Consider the lilies of the field . . . " - that's an old saying.

Certainly the few jobs I've done have been a waste of time and a time of waste.



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06 Mar 2015, 7:45 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
LOL.....but Nature determined that "twiddling his ears and doing nothing" is an optimal existence for this creature. Should this creature try to do something productive, he/she will be ostracized by others of his/her species.

Exactly. Nature determined that animals should only be productive enough to meet their basic needs. It's only human society that thinks collecting and storing up a million nuts is a good thing.


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06 Mar 2015, 7:48 pm

Raleigh wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
LOL.....but Nature determined that "twiddling his ears and doing nothing" is an optimal existence for this creature. Should this creature try to do something productive, he/she will be ostracized by others of his/her species.

Exactly. Nature determined that animals should only be productive enough to meet their basic needs. It's only human society that thinks collecting and storing up a million nuts is a good thing.


I agree. When people go on about their success, I feel like I am being indoctrinated into some validation of their worldview rather than what's in my own interests.



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06 Mar 2015, 7:56 pm

Thank you androbot, I love your use of language here.



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06 Mar 2015, 7:58 pm

Thanks :D