27 Apr 2010, 9:39 pm
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27 Apr 2010, 11:20 pm
TheDoctor82 wrote:
I hate to tell you, but this sounds like a really biased argument that indirectly backs "victimhood".
That mentality will not get you anywhere; maybe on food stamps for a while, but that's about it. How do you figure they're just in lucky circumstances? I'm busting my ass every day trying to get my business off the ground so I can be in the wealthier class.
This honestly sounds like a certain legendary quote: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
And I hate to tell you this...that was said by Karl Marx; perhaps you've heard of him-- the founder of Communism.
and I trust you probably aren't aware of how he hoped to implement quite a big chunk of his plans.....
Look if I want to get into a political debate, I'll go into the Political forum with this; I have no desire to. When I talk about injustice, I'm referring to how people are treated in regards to how society claims it treats everybody, regardless of how it actually does...not some political propaganda; you can find loads of that in that forum.
Your argument just doesn't make any sense, particularly from a global perspective, which is what this discussion (which was not started by me) is centered on. When billions of people live in desperate poverty, that's a systemic problem, not one that can be solved by somehow believing that billions of individuals can in some nebulous way will themselves to work harder than they already do.
That mentality will not get you anywhere; maybe on food stamps for a while, but that's about it. How do you figure they're just in lucky circumstances? I'm busting my ass every day trying to get my business off the ground so I can be in the wealthier class.
This honestly sounds like a certain legendary quote: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
And I hate to tell you this...that was said by Karl Marx; perhaps you've heard of him-- the founder of Communism.
and I trust you probably aren't aware of how he hoped to implement quite a big chunk of his plans.....
Look if I want to get into a political debate, I'll go into the Political forum with this; I have no desire to. When I talk about injustice, I'm referring to how people are treated in regards to how society claims it treats everybody, regardless of how it actually does...not some political propaganda; you can find loads of that in that forum.
And Karl Marx in no way advocated communism as it was later implemented by the Soviet Union, China, and Cuba.
You started out by saying one needed to know more about this issue to discuss it, but you don't seem to like it when someone who has actually studied the issue in depth enters the discussion...
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27 Apr 2010, 11:22 pm
In response to the title/OP: Yes, doesn't everyone, AS and NT alike? Is there really anyone out there who likes injustice? :\
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bee33 wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
I hate to tell you, but this sounds like a really biased argument that indirectly backs "victimhood".
That mentality will not get you anywhere; maybe on food stamps for a while, but that's about it. How do you figure they're just in lucky circumstances? I'm busting my ass every day trying to get my business off the ground so I can be in the wealthier class.
This honestly sounds like a certain legendary quote: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
And I hate to tell you this...that was said by Karl Marx; perhaps you've heard of him-- the founder of Communism.
and I trust you probably aren't aware of how he hoped to implement quite a big chunk of his plans.....
Look if I want to get into a political debate, I'll go into the Political forum with this; I have no desire to. When I talk about injustice, I'm referring to how people are treated in regards to how society claims it treats everybody, regardless of how it actually does...not some political propaganda; you can find loads of that in that forum.
Your argument just doesn't make any sense, particularly from a global perspective, which is what this discussion (which was not started by me) is centered on. When billions of people live in desperate poverty, that's a systemic problem, not one that can be solved by somehow believing that billions of individuals can in some nebulous way will themselves to work harder than they already do.That mentality will not get you anywhere; maybe on food stamps for a while, but that's about it. How do you figure they're just in lucky circumstances? I'm busting my ass every day trying to get my business off the ground so I can be in the wealthier class.
This honestly sounds like a certain legendary quote: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
And I hate to tell you this...that was said by Karl Marx; perhaps you've heard of him-- the founder of Communism.
and I trust you probably aren't aware of how he hoped to implement quite a big chunk of his plans.....
Look if I want to get into a political debate, I'll go into the Political forum with this; I have no desire to. When I talk about injustice, I'm referring to how people are treated in regards to how society claims it treats everybody, regardless of how it actually does...not some political propaganda; you can find loads of that in that forum.
And Karl Marx in no way advocated communism as it was later implemented by the Soviet Union, China, and Cuba.
You started out by saying one needed to know more about this issue to discuss it, but you don't seem to like it when someone who has actually studied the issue in depth enters the discussion...
they live in desperate poverty because of choices they make. What about those that don't? So, those that do automatically were just doing things right and somehow got screwed, because those that don't just somehow "cheated the system"?
Yeah, I'm bailing from this before it heads into the territory I see it heading into; this honestly should no longer even be in this forum; it should be in the political subcategory...
27 Apr 2010, 11:54 pm
28 Apr 2010, 12:06 am
28 Apr 2010, 12:37 am
TheDoctor82 wrote:
Study the 48 Laws of Power. Don't actually follow them, but remind yourself that they do; once you learn them, you'll know how you can use what idiocies they follow to your advantage 
On your recommendation, I looked it up; it's GREAT stuff, it explains so much!! Thanks!!
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28 Apr 2010, 7:39 am
Injustice and intervention topic
I refuse to be a bystander--and i have alerted police and others in cases where I think something needs to be done, if I could not intervene directly and do something.
If I was in a country where the police could not be trusted, I would join an underground movement. years of reading about genocides and otther political mass murders have taught me that being a bystander in the face of injustice is akin to being a perpetrator. The Edmund Burke quote about good people doing nothing is apt here. See the story below.
In the news recently there was the story of a homeless amn who rushed to the aid of a woman being mugged by some creep who then turned on the homeless man and stabbed him, whereupon he dropped to the sidewalk, mortally injured. All this was caught on a security camera. Twenty five people passed by his unresponsive body. He lay dying until perhaps being noticed by some random person who called for an ambulance, but by then, it was too late and he was dead. 
28 Apr 2010, 7:45 am
sartresue wrote:
Injustice and intervention topic
I refuse to be a bystander--and i have alerted police and others in cases where I think something needs to be done, if I could not intervene directly and do something.
If I was in a country where the police could not be trusted, I would join an underground movement. years of reading about genocides and otther political mass murders have taught me that being a bystander in the face of injustice is akin to being a perpetrator. The Edmund Burke quote about good people doing nothing is apt here. See the story below.
In the news recently there was the story of a homeless amn who rushed to the aid of a woman being mugged by some creep who then turned on the homeless man and stabbed him, whereupon he dropped to the sidewalk, mortally injured. All this was caught on a security camera. Twenty five people passed by his unresponsive body. He lay dying until perhaps being noticed by some random person who called for an ambulance, but by then, it was too late and he was dead.
I refuse to be a bystander--and i have alerted police and others in cases where I think something needs to be done, if I could not intervene directly and do something.
If I was in a country where the police could not be trusted, I would join an underground movement. years of reading about genocides and otther political mass murders have taught me that being a bystander in the face of injustice is akin to being a perpetrator. The Edmund Burke quote about good people doing nothing is apt here. See the story below.
In the news recently there was the story of a homeless amn who rushed to the aid of a woman being mugged by some creep who then turned on the homeless man and stabbed him, whereupon he dropped to the sidewalk, mortally injured. All this was caught on a security camera. Twenty five people passed by his unresponsive body. He lay dying until perhaps being noticed by some random person who called for an ambulance, but by then, it was too late and he was dead.
28 Apr 2010, 7:49 am
sartresue wrote:
Injustice and intervention topic
I refuse to be a bystander--and i have alerted police and others in cases where I think something needs to be done, if I could not intervene directly and do something.
If I was in a country where the police could not be trusted, I would join an underground movement. years of reading about genocides and otther political mass murders have taught me that being a bystander in the face of injustice is akin to being a perpetrator. The Edmund Burke quote about good people doing nothing is apt here. See the story below.
In the news recently there was the story of a homeless amn who rushed to the aid of a woman being mugged by some creep who then turned on the homeless man and stabbed him, whereupon he dropped to the sidewalk, mortally injured. All this was caught on a security camera. Twenty five people passed by his unresponsive body. He lay dying until perhaps being noticed by some random person who called for an ambulance, but by then, it was too late and he was dead.
I refuse to be a bystander--and i have alerted police and others in cases where I think something needs to be done, if I could not intervene directly and do something.
If I was in a country where the police could not be trusted, I would join an underground movement. years of reading about genocides and otther political mass murders have taught me that being a bystander in the face of injustice is akin to being a perpetrator. The Edmund Burke quote about good people doing nothing is apt here. See the story below.
In the news recently there was the story of a homeless amn who rushed to the aid of a woman being mugged by some creep who then turned on the homeless man and stabbed him, whereupon he dropped to the sidewalk, mortally injured. All this was caught on a security camera. Twenty five people passed by his unresponsive body. He lay dying until perhaps being noticed by some random person who called for an ambulance, but by then, it was too late and he was dead.
There's a thread on this matter of the homeless man who was stabbed. There's a certain amount of "so what" attitudes there. I've expressed distatste for that view before and gotten yeah yeah yeah
responses; but it doesn't change the fact that it can happen to you (editorial) and if it did your blase' attitude would change very quickly.
28 Apr 2010, 11:59 am
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