Autism Speaks - is it good or is it bad?
If Zeronetgain's apocalypse scenario ever came about, you would suddenly realize that communication and socializing are not bullsh!t. They are necessary for survival. There is a reason they evolved in our species as they did in so many other species. That reason would become starkly obvious in a survivalist situation.
That, and I would again point out that from a strict survivalist standpoint, ANY ONE THING that would impair the ability of an individual to be self-sufficient would be a bad thing. To be fair, social skills is not a necessity to "survive" but getting things you need in trading, exchanging favor for favor, and making allies could be a problematic issue. Surely people would be more interested in the meat and potatoes of what you are offering in exchange and not care about polite chit-chat, but at what point an impairment would be a detriment as compared to a mere inconvenience is not a clear line we can draw.
An autistic person who was able to get a lot of hard work done would be valuable for that ability, even if he isn't much for conversation. An autistic person who can't focus enough to do the basic tasks needed to help the group get through the day would be a different matter.
This is why, not matter the disability, I think it is imperative to get a person with a condition to work on their self-sufficiency skills. It is not desirable to be dependent on others if you can help it, and I find being able to do things for yourself is very empowering and builds confidence.
True, but a society of survivalists stagnates. A generalist who can do everything for himself has no time to specialize; and a society of generalists is at the mercy of societies that are more integrated and support the specialists who can generate new ideas, undertake highly skilled projects, and practice arts that require a long time to master.
In the short run, yes, you'll survive longer if you are a generalist. However, if your society is made up of nothing but generalists, then you'll just survive long enough to go down with a sinking ship.
Integration of people who specialize--and autistics are some of those specialists--is what makes a group of people strong. Diversity is strength. Societies who don't accept diversity will eventually die.
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havent read all this... but even though i am highly skeptical for them... i do hope they can be turned to the aspie/auti side. hope they are doing some serious revamping.
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Their comparisons of autism to cancer reminds me of PETA's holocaust on your plate campaign, you can't work for them if you're autistic, they almost completely ignore the higher functioning people even though we're responsible for beefing up their scare campaign (the diagnostic numbers were a lot lower before people included AS), and they're a hate group. They speak FOR us. I, personally, take extreme offense to that.
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It seems like this thread has gone on for a long time, so I'll make sure not to repeat anything that's already been said, especially since this thread seems to pop up quite frequently all over.
Personally, I am all for Autism Speaks. They do not represent the views of persons with Asperger's Syndrome because that is not their focus. Persons with AS have the capacity to go on the Internet and complain about Autism Speaks, because their major issues are the same sort of issues many other people have, such as finding work and making friends, while many with classical autism have problems like feeding and dressing themselves. If you are able to go to the store, find food, take it home, store it away, prepare the food, and put it into your body, then go and post on the Internet, then you have exceeded the functional capacity of many autistic adults.
Adults with Asperger's Syndrome have the mildest issues of all persons on the autism spectrum, and do not, in fact, have classical autism. Persons with AS who say they are in the same boat as a severely autistic person clearly do not have a good understanding of what life is like when you can only communicate by crying, screaming, and hitting people.
Aspeger's can make you lonely, awkward, and frustrated. Being autistic generally means you will not be able to live a life that resembles anything like most human beings experience. Simply put, autistic persons cannot function on their own except in milder circumstances. It is certainly no great evil that Autism Speaks wants people to grow up into happy, healthy, functional adults, which is impossible when you have no means of communicating or effecting the outside world.
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To me, autism speaks COULD BE a good organization, raising awarness, research, etc. But they're marketing is WAY too negative, and rather than celebrating people with autism, and helping them and others understand each other, they make it seem like they have a disease that needs to be cured. I do not support the organization and generally steer clear of their marketing campaigns. Autism every day broke my heart because those parents obviously had no support, and therefore were simply pitied. I felt even worse for the children - the parents spoke about them like they weren't even there! And I Am Autism was clearly just a disaster.
Over here, with our recessionary budget crisis, autism has appeared a few times in the papers. The latest (today) is about the budget for school bus (and taxi) transport, illustrated with the example of autistic children - provided, I guess, by some lazy journalist phoning a friendly contact in a charity organisation.
I am sure that the stories of severely autistic and disruptive children who can not walk to school, can not travel unaccompanied and need nurse supervision are genuine and the distress is real, but this is the stereotype of what all autism is.
Apparently, finding ways to help autistic kids learn better isn't glamorous enough. They've got to go for the mad science and devise ways to either kill or cure us, because obviously, it's impossible to have a good life if you're autistic; so finding ways to make school, work, and society autistic-friendly is a completely useless pursuit.
(Heavy sarcasm there, in case you don't catch sarcasm.)
not to say that i think killing autistic or Aspergers babies is justified either though.
personally i'm almost entirely against abortion.
if a person doesn't think they can care properly for their baby, then give it to people who can; put it up for adoption. Killing something just because it's an inconvenience just seems downright selfish and wrong to me .
I agree. It's really the only thing I agree with the right on.
They portray us as burdens on our families, which no good can come from, because we have no souls.
They seriously, seriously, have compared Autism to f**king cancer/AIDs.
Their Vice President (I think it was.) said she thought about murdering her autistic child by drowning her, because she's autistic and such a burden on her and her normal child. I don't care how bad she has it; that's despicable . No sentient creature deserves to have it's life stripped away because they "Inconvenience" you.
Now, what do you think I think of em? I'm not against the cure movement (I'd prefer abortions not be done, but if a child is going to be so severely autistic they can barely function at all, I wouldn't condemn a doctor for providing that choice, nor condemn parents for taking that choice.), because I'm not so naive as to believe there aren't some autistic individuals who have it so bad they'd want and/or need a cure to be able function, but I'm sick and tired of hearing how we should ALL should have to be cured by people who ignore people like us; people who LFA and HFA, like being autistic and who falsely portray autism as a hopeless situation in which you can experience no joy or sense of meaning in your life, so as to justify a eugenic policy. If they cared about Autistics, they'd help them by promoting acceptance and by educating people on the good AND bad aspects of Autism Spectrum Disorders and how to cope and care for with people who have the disorders, while yes, researching a cure for people who may benefit from it by weighing the options and making an informed decision, which is hard when you're being fed B.S from an all you can eat buffet of propaganda
Personally, I hope Autism Speaks and Defeat Autism Now! and other groups which promote nothing but disdain for Autism as a whole, fold. Is there a degree of truth in what they're saying? Sure, but the same can be said for (some) urban legends and (some) stereotypes; though overblown and untrue, they stem from a small kernel of truth, which is that some of what they're saying does apply on an individual, case by case basis. Some black people are poor and do love watermelons and fried chicken, some white men are racists trying to hold people of other races down due to their own innate bigotry, some men are pigs who care only about getting a girl's clothes off, some women gold-diggers and yes, some autistic people do suffer immensely, as I've already noted. The problem is though, that not all people who are women, men, autistic, black, etc, fit certain preconceived notions that you may have of them and by promoting that ideology to susceptible people, you not only offend large parts of the group you're generalizing (Even if your generalization may be true to the majority of the group, and I've yet to see proof that that is so with regards to what Autism Speaks says.), to which your sweeping statements do not apply, but breed an unnecessary hatred/pity/mockery/feeling of superiority over these people which deters real progress and integration that can made by presenting the facts in a spin-free manner.
Other organizations and/or forums do this well, for example, WrongPlanet, which is a great resource for Autistic individuals, Parents, Guardians,Friends, and Loved Ones of Autistic people and the community as a whole (which would benefit from dropping their prejudices about who and what we are, just because they heard it on the grapevine.). Their positive impact cannot be overstated. My hope is that more places like this come along to combat cancers like AutismSpeaks, which unfortunately, seems to be one of the larger Autism "Advocacy" groups, when they're really the equivalent of a PETA: Vile hypocrites who hurt the cause they claim to promote.
Couldn't agree more.
While I don't think that Autism Speaks is a bunch of mustache-twirling villains out to kill every person with autism/Asperger's like most of the board members here, I also wouldn't donate to them since most of the money goes towards salaries and not helping people with autism.
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Did you know that Autism Speaks managers read WP?
I'd be careful what you say, the mods seem to be their puppets.
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I hope they read wp, maybe they'll have an idea of what they're being portrayed as and what people think of them. However I don't think it would change anything. They'd probably just see a bunch of poor autistics who don't know right from wrong.
When they did the walk in St. Louis I was so upset because a bunch of people on my campus were really into it and some of my friends were going. I mean it's great that they are supporting what they think is a good cause, I just wish they knew what autism speaks is really about.
A decent organization or "charity" as they like to call themselves doesn't debase or degrade the people they're supposedly trying to help. I mean I have no problem with research, I think finding a genetic component to autism is quite fascinating, and research for autism is also very interesting. However, that's not the most important thing right now. And autism speaks is just so negative with their marketing and is just so degrading to individuals with autism. It's really sad. The most important thing - in my mind - for a charitable organization to be doing is help the public understand people with autism/asperger's so instead of making fun of us maybe they can help us with social challenges. Autism speaks is pretty much doing the opposite. I understand that there are people (yeah not just children) who have a really hard time functioning day-to-day - I work with those kids for my job and teach them how to function properly, and they are capable of living full happy lives with the help of compassionate, patient people. Autism speaks seems to think that these people are doomed for eternity and the only way to help them is to get rid of them. Not to sound conceited but I believe I've done more for individuals with autism on a much smaller scale than autism speaks because I've taken the time to understand people who may be "low functioning" and I know what it's like to be high functioning but still have a hard time expressing myself. I've actually stepped in and tried to help people adjust to the world. I wish autism speaks could see the possibilities in people rather than their downfalls.
And I do think they're a bunch of mustache twirling villains
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