How autistics daydream? and abt what?

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20 May 2006, 12:35 pm

see thus article : http://www.4woman.gov/news/english/532579.htm

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Stopped at a red light or waiting in a doctor's office, people's idle thoughts may focus on themselves, other people in their lives, nearby strangers or their plans for the day.

But a new brain-imaging study suggests the minds of autistic individuals do not engage in these "daydreams" about themselves or other people whenever their brains are free to wander.



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So, what are autistic people thinking about when not engaged in specific tasks? Kennedy said that, so far, researchers have found it tough to get good answers to that question from severely impaired autistic individuals. "We do know, though, that they tend to have repetitive, stereotyped thoughts -- their attention is drawn to things like calendars, schedules, maps, computers -- rigid, concrete things," he said.


:S hmm I don't find this applies on me .....I mean I do daydream about myself and sometimes abt real ppl or unreal ppl ....maybe not about my future plans ...but abt something silly dunno like being a Jedi Knight in an adventure but not always abt computers , maps like what said in the article ... .


I was wondering ....how many of u think that this article fit with ur condition ?

and how you as autistics daydream? and abt what?



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20 May 2006, 2:36 pm

I think the article's content is flawed. The article also tends to focus on severely-impaired autistic people, many of whom I doubt relate well to even our little community website. There isn't much said about moderate or mild types of autistics, such as people with AS, except with a mention at one point that they were included in the study. The study states that the resting areas of the brain are more severely nonfunctional as autism severity increases. So, what does that mean for us having AS? Not much could be concluded, I'm afraid.

I daydream about people, about things that have happened, even about some of my future prospects. I daydream a lot about my interests as well. My mind tends to be in overload most of the time, with just so many thoughts and ideas that I have trouble sorting through it all. So, yes ... I daydream, mostly on events and occurences that have happened in the past. I can also create visuals in my mind at will, like I can generate a house and construct both its interior and exterior in my mind. Now, I can't draw good, but I can relate it back in words, say through writing stories or poetry.

I don't buy a lot of this daydream stuff, because then how can a person having AS be an artist? In order to be an artist, I would assume, you would need to construct a visual in your mind. Many people with autism think more or less in pictures, so they have to replay these mental videos in their minds to remember things. Now, if they have to replay such videos, isn't that a form of daydreaming? Yeah, many autistics think about things like computers, maps, and things that are concrete, but isn't that still a form of daydreaming? I would think so.

Also, I can identify the part where the articles stipulates that after resting and getting back on task, that I have trouble doing so. That's not because my resting centers weren't there to begin with, as the article states, but more or less due to the notion that I can't clear my head that easily. It's like I have to make room for something new, so I have to shove all these other thoughts aside. It's not exactly like that, obviously, but it's the best explanation for what I tend to do.

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20 May 2006, 3:39 pm

^^ I am exactly like u but I am HFA.



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20 May 2006, 4:15 pm

I definitely daydream more than most Neurotypicals. So I agree Aeturnus.



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20 May 2006, 5:48 pm

I think its wrong. I have daydreams about the people around me all the time, I think this needs to be done again!!



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20 May 2006, 7:12 pm

I don't think this report is that accurate. I don't daydream about calendars. Sometimes I daydream about my mind being a big computer lab sci-fi thingy, but somehow I don't think that counts. When I daydream, I roll play about characters or stuff that I'm writing. It's fun because I get to dictate exactly what happens. Sometimes I daydream about breaking things if I'm really, really angry but yeah, that's about it. ^^U



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20 May 2006, 7:47 pm

I generally do not daydream about whole people. But I may often daydream about parts of people especially hair, freckles, wide white smiles or eyelashes; even frequently staring at strangers with such features and trying to do it discretely without them noticing. But more often I daydream fantasies about places like great lost worlds with mighty mountain ranges make the Himalayas look like little bumps. Daydreams about these lost worlds often loop around and around my mind a lot.

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20 May 2006, 8:01 pm

I wonder if the study was focusing on low functioning autistics.



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20 May 2006, 9:04 pm

I daydream about myself, and my desire to travel through Central London on my Buses.



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20 May 2006, 11:18 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
^^ I am exactly like u but I am HFA.


Okay. I don't believe that there's much of a difference between HFA and AS, really. I think the only difference is that HFA involves a language delay. I spoke in sentences when I was three years old and babbled before that, so what could you consider me? Asperger's, probably. I speak fine. My speech is fine. In fact, I only recall having been in speech therapy during my early years of grammar school, and it did not last long.

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21 May 2006, 12:20 am

I have much better motor skills than the average AS I took me a while to learn how to ride a bike but apart from that I was about the same at gymnastics if not better than average NT but I was hopeless at team sports like football which demanded more social interaction on the field. At track and field I was a bit better than the average NT. Swimming I learnt in one lession and that was enough I thought.
Languages I could not put sentences together before 5 and I could not make myself understood before 7. Languages has always been a weak point and still are. I performed very badly at English at school and I am currently at the best level I have been all my life age 52.

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21 May 2006, 3:44 am

^^ u r HFA then like me ....I was mute till age 3 years and I was speaking jargon till age 5. (full sentences with strange nonsense sounds- common behavior among HFAs , HFAs usually speak FULL sentences as adult but with nosense words!) ....I was told that my granparent thought that I was haunted by an evil spirit because I was speaking freaky unkown language till age 5 :lol:



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21 May 2006, 1:24 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I daydream about myself, and my desire to travel through Central London on my Buses.



I also tend to daydream about stuff involving my interests. For instance, If I'm going through a period of obsessing over let's say some computer company, I often imagine myself working or inventing for this buisness. As a child, I went through a Diddl-obsession (Diddl is a cartoon mouse from Germany, although he has not been on any sort of televison program). During this obsession, I often day dreamt about adopting a Diddl-character (dreaming he was alive and so on). This is probably not unlike many NT children's daydreaming, but when my obsession involves rocks for instance, my daydreaming tends to differ from other peoples thoughts.



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21 May 2006, 6:08 pm

Hmmmm.... we don't daydream. That would be why I got in trouble all the time at school for it.

Did the people who wrote the article not consider that possibility that because our brains work differently to those of NTs, the way we daydream may also look different?
Of course not. Damn NTs always get stuck in a rigid course of action and never consider any alternatives.
Oh... right.... apparently that's us. :P


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21 May 2006, 11:17 pm

paulsinnerchild wrote:
I have much better motor skills than the average AS I took me a while to learn how to ride a bike but apart from that I was about the same at gymnastics if not better than average NT but I was hopeless at team sports like football which demanded more social interaction on the field. At track and field I was a bit better than the average NT. Swimming I learnt in one lession and that was enough I thought.
Languages I could not put sentences together before 5 and I could not make myself understood before 7. Languages has always been a weak point and still are. I performed very badly at English at school and I am currently at the best level I have been all my life age 52.

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Interesting. English was a strong subject for me, as long as it didn't involve book reports. I also had like an innate passion for spelling, which some teachers were stunned by. Literature, on the other hand, bores me and becomes very hard for me to grasp. I don't like to learn foreign languages. It gets too confusing. I took a few courses of Spanish in college as a requirement for humanities, and I did okay, but I can't speak or write it that well.

I have poor eye-to-hand coordination, but other than that my motor skills are quite good. I can't easily hammer a nail straight into wood, because it always bends. I tend to like to use screws if need be. I can't easily catch a ball that well, either. Gymnastics? I was really good in it. It's like one of the aspects of gym class that I enjoyed, since I didn't enjoy most team sports. Although, in the school that I was in, they sort of made it all fun, so it wasn't so competitive and demanding like public school sports. Riding a book for me took a bit of time, but once I caught in, it sort of came naturally.

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22 May 2006, 11:18 pm

I've found I often have daydream "nightmares". When I'm planning to do something, or considering different courses of action, I often end up visualizing the absolute worst case scenario. Probably explains why I have so much difficulty convincing myself that it's worthwhile to leave my room.