Polygraph (a device detecting deception) and AS

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I have encountered the same technique under the name Kinesic Interrogation. A friend of mine was held at gun point during a robbery and had his truck stolen as a getaway vehicle and run into a ditch. The police detective in charge (Whose on-line resume boasts of his credentials in kinesic interrogation) accused him of being an inside accomplice and lying. The only thing that this Barney Fife type seemed to have missed is that my friend has been almost totally deaf since birth. The reason he was not looking the detective in the eye is that he was focusing on reading his lips ! !!

There are many fine police personnel out there, but the problem is that all too often they protect the dumb cops among them and the dumb cops are too stupid to ever doubt their own overblown sense of infallibility.

The whole matter of reading body language requires an understanding of the background and upbringing of the person being interrogated. Looking someone of authority in the eye is considered a sign of deep disrespect in many cultures, not one of lying.

I am a bit fired up over this one because I have often had the problem of being misread and even told to my face that I was lying. Those people who declare "I can always tell when someone is lying" are basically ignorant ! It is my own opinion that attempting to read the body language of any aspie is highly prone to failure. Would anyone think That looking for the normal clues to behavior that they could read the intent of someone with full blown autism? The problem for an aspie would then be being mistaken for a neurotypical. At least a Vietnamese in the US would be recognized as being culturally different! rant rant rant

Polygraphs are crap. That's where the story ends.

Even if I intended to only tell the truth I probably wouldn't pass. I think just the fear of a false positive would cause my heart rate to go up and so I wouldn't pass.

I personally think the whole point of a polygraph test is to intimidate the subject and extract information. The more nervous the subject is that they can be caught lying the less likely they will make stuff up. If they do they're probably more likely to mess up their story because they're nervous. Whether the results of the test are positive or negative isn't that important since it can't be used as evidence anyways.

Funny you said this because I always thought I would fail it regardless of the questions. The reason being is something’s I can feel guilty even though I'm telling the truth. Going through customs I often feel I have something to hide when I don’t.

It can't in the UK but I heard some state isn the US do use it.

I've beaten the polygraph before. Soon after the Columbine incident I got in trouble at school for a message that was found on my computer. It was a collaborative effort but I did help write part of it. I was in deep trouble though. My parents had me take a polygraph test about the incident. I asked my parents how the polygraph test was supposed to work. They told me it had to do with heartrate. Once I knew that I made a concerted effort to control my heartrate during the test. And I beat it.

Although I do admit I was really nervous waiting for the results.

My impression was that most states require the person to agree to take it. In that case, I wouldn't be surprised if prosecuters were able to use things the person said during the test against the person in court. I would be pretty shocked if they were allowed to tell the jury the results of the test though. That would be unjust IMO.

UM..

this would be a great experiement

MAybe I should endeavour



haha

because aspergers People are honest no?

.. hmm...

My guess would be that the ability to manage stimuli would create an ever increasing physical reaction.

Doing that to a person with AS, and then attacking that person as described here, could be a violation of the ADA.

What a story! Love it. You are hilarious. Thanks for sharing that.

God, if that was a reason to be thought lying most Aspies would fail then!

Presumably Truth has not met a corrupt cop, a coniving prosecutor bent on making a name for himself and a judge that does not mind the other two twisting words and the law for their own ends.

Alas, I have met the first two and am well aware of the 3rd sort. But I survived ....... so far.

Funnily enough, I am currently dealing with a public body who has lied in writing. I'm therefore no stranger to this type of official underhandedness. However, truth may still not fear it, it may become victim to it yes, but it will still hold true to itself and nothing they do can change that. This is why it fears no trial.

I've heard that multiple lie detector tests for employment at places like the NSA are the rule.

In the mid 1970s, I thought about applying for a job at a convenience store. The store was really short of help at the time.

I knew the manager of the store fairly well and he said not to bother -- that the new guy who administered the polygraphs was flunking every applicant they had. He said it had been several months since they were able to hire anyone at all.

Very well said. "Truth" has character. It is sad when we have to deal with such officials, sad in the sense that such people are the officials. Unfortunately such people are drawn to such positions. For this reason government ought to be as limited as possible with as little power as possible. One characteristic often cited as being common among aspies is an inherent mistrust of authority figures. It is a characteristic that is all too often justified by officials. Best wishes in your struggle with them.