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KenM
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28 May 2006, 10:28 am

I just saw this movie this weekend. I thought it was very good. In the movie, the "normal people" come up with a "cure" for mution. I think thats the way it it wit NTs and people with AS. They want to "cure" us but there is nothing wrong with us. Anyone else feel the same way?



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28 May 2006, 10:49 am

KenM wrote:
I just saw this movie this weekend. I thought it was very good. In the movie, the "normal people" come up with a "cure" for mution. I think thats the way it it wit NTs and people with AS. They want to "cure" us but there is nothing wrong with us. Anyone else feel the same way?

Yes. In both cases, most of the normal people and a few of the different think that the difference is terrible and needs to be cured, while most of the different people see most of the disadvantages of their differences are being the fault of the society they live in and that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.



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28 May 2006, 11:32 am

Your thread makes three threads on this website on the same subject, and the aspie livejournal community also has a long post on it to the effect that the conclusions are obvious.



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29 May 2006, 12:10 am

I see the message as something broader. But it doesn't take much of a leap to draw a connection between Mutatants/Nonmutants against NTs vs all the things we are. Heck, it might not even be that much of a stretch to call US Mutants. (Probably are conditions are genetic)

What's more, there's another element. While I haven't seen the movie yet, some mutants wanted to be cured. I mean some of the characters are in a pretty bad state.

This brings up a real dilema. Do we fight against a cure when some people want it? But on the other hand, there are monsters out there that are essentially wishing for genocide.



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29 May 2006, 12:31 am

Personally I DO think that there's some things wrong with being an aspie. There are gifts and curses. The thing is, the X-Men don't have horrible social skills and aren't constantly assaulted by overwhelming sensory stimulation in exchange for their powers. Yeah, the powers sometimes have nasty side effects (like Rogue's inability to touch people without hurting them, etc.) but it's not strictly the same because mutants aren't as...damaged, as a lot of autistics are. I'm not trying to insult anyone, but it's not like being an aspie is all good and no bad. I'm not sure I'd take a cure but I'd sure as hell love some aspects of my disability to be worked on.



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29 May 2006, 4:12 am

I agree with Xuincherguixe and Veresae. It's all very nice and well to say you don't want a cure, but what about others that do want/need a cure? You can't say there is nothing wrong with us, or that there is nothing disabling about autism.


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29 May 2006, 5:20 am

Indeed, that's why I've sort of left AFF since I found this place. The people there are cool and all but I don't like their philosophy that cure is just plain bad. I can see where they're coming from but their views always seemed too extreme for me to be able to accept them. Particularly, some of their attitudes towards parents of people with AS seem way off to me, the way they mock them because they apparently make themselves out to be matyrs.

But about X-Men, I don't think it's that accurate an analogy. In X-Men, the mutants develop remarkable differences that distinguish them from others. I think with us it's more of a case that our traits have been part of humanity for a while, but now with the world getting smaller (due to technology, communications, etc) and as a result less diverse (more conformity), certain groups such as psychiatry are singling out populations now considered to be deviant.

I think it's important that people remember that AS is an arbitrarily defined diagnosis. It's more accurate to draw parallels between us and the European witch trials than us and the X-Men, because like us, 'witches' were just ordinary folk who at the time weren't socially acceptable.