Why can women live at home at any age,,,,,,,,,,,

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ApsieGuy
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08 Oct 2010, 10:48 am

So, why is it socially acceptable for women to live at home with their parents at later ages than men?



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08 Oct 2010, 10:56 am

For the same reason it's more socially acceptable for men to have sex outside of marriage?

I don't even think that's true anymore, but ask a stupid question...



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08 Oct 2010, 11:00 am

I don't think it is.



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08 Oct 2010, 11:22 am

It's not true anymore, in my country at least. Women are expected to find a job even when they have a kid.



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08 Oct 2010, 11:45 am

I think people assume that a woman who is still at home comes from a very traditional family that disaproves of unmarried women leaving home. That tradition used to be universal for women (and still is in many cultures) but only applied in some places for men. There is a long tradition in many places of women staying at home until marriage (or forever if they don't get married) while men go off and make their way in the world. This has fallen away in a lot of places (such as for other posters) but many will assume "traditional family" when they see a woman at home but they will assume "can't find a job" for a man at home.



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08 Oct 2010, 1:16 pm

Really? My brother's older than me and my mom wants to keep him home forever. When I asked if I can move out, she sounded very happy about the idea yet she gets sad every time I move back to college. I don't know. Maybe it's because since men are expected to make lots of money, they shouldn't have to be independent on their parents. Since women earn 30% less, it's more likely that she'll be living with her parents until she's married. :/



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08 Oct 2010, 1:25 pm

ApsieGuy wrote:
So, why is it socially acceptable for women to live at home with their parents at later ages than men?


I think it isn't.

Perhaps much the opposite - if anything, women are supposed to leave home (to marry) sooner than man (note that in my country leaving parents' home to live alone IS NOT socially acceptable, unless you need to move to a different town)..



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08 Oct 2010, 1:40 pm

Erisad wrote:
Maybe it's because since men are expected to make lots of money, they shouldn't have to be independent on their parents. Since women earn 30% less, it's more likely that she'll be living with her parents until she's married. :/


That's counter-intuitive. Women make 30% less than men because they take time off for maternity leave, choose less demanding jobs so they can spend more time with their children, and thus end up with less experience and/or a lower status job than a man of similar age, education, and time in the world of work.

Anything pre-marriage (so long as it's also pre-children) is not part of what creates that 30% statistic. What makes more sense, given the statistics and the underlying cause for them, is that women who end up as single mothers are benefitted more by living with their parents.


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08 Oct 2010, 2:03 pm

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Erisad wrote:
Maybe it's because since men are expected to make lots of money, they shouldn't have to be independent on their parents. Since women earn 30% less, it's more likely that she'll be living with her parents until she's married. :/


That's counter-intuitive. Women make 30% less than men because they take time off for maternity leave, choose less demanding jobs so they can spend more time with their children, and thus end up with less experience and/or a lower status job than a man of similar age, education, and time in the world of work.

Anything pre-marriage (so long as it's also pre-children) is not part of what creates that 30% statistic.


It is not because marriage and sons that women usually (in some range of education) have jobs like waitress or checkout girl, and men (in the same range) jobs like construction worker or fisherman (better payed jobs); it is because a combination of stereotypes and a different physical strength.

Even in withe-collar, middle class jobs, unmarried, un-childiss women are at disadvantage, because potential employers think "sooner or later, this girl will marry, have sons and will have many absences of work because that" and will prefer to give the job to a man, creating a situation where men will have the better jobs.



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08 Oct 2010, 2:05 pm

They are more willing to do housework.... and fathers (lord of the house) like their daughters more than they like their sons...



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08 Oct 2010, 2:26 pm

TPE2 wrote:
It is not because marriage and sons that women usually (in some range of education) have jobs like waitress or checkout girl, and men (in the same range) jobs like construction worker or fisherman (better payed jobs); it is because a combination of stereotypes and a different physical strength.


However, the statistics that say that women earn 70 cents on the dollar when compared to men are comparing men and women in the same field with the same education and the same number of years of work experience. The statistics the previous poster was citing are not comparing waitresses to fishermen but rather female restaurant servers to male, female fishers to male, female office workers to male, female professors to male, etc. With age, education, and years in the market factored so the comparison is "apples to apples" not the "apples to kumquats" you are describing.

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Even in withe-collar, middle class jobs, unmarried, un-childiss women are at disadvantage, because potential employers think "sooner or later, this girl will marry, have sons and will have many absences of work because that" and will prefer to give the job to a man, creating a situation where men will have the better jobs.


Actually, the studies I have read for research for my classes indicate that never-married, nulliparous (never had children) women are paid higher than men when age, education, and years in the work force are factored in.


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08 Oct 2010, 5:21 pm

A girl in my TAFE class (21 year old) was planning to move out and she said that her parents felt like this was an attack on them. In her culture, the tradition is that a woman stays with her parents until marriage. the girl just wanted a house of her own.



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09 Oct 2010, 2:08 am

I can assure people that it can be very embarrassing to be a female and still live with parents well into 20s and 30s. Especially when you bump into people you grew up with and they have their own houses, husbands and children and you have to tell them you are still living with your parents.


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09 Oct 2010, 7:20 am

zen_mistress wrote:
I can assure people that it can be very embarrassing to be a female and still live with parents well into 20s and 30s. Especially when you bump into people you grew up with and they have their own houses, husbands and children and you have to tell them you are still living with your parents.



I guess I never considered it from this perspective....

I'm not a very sharp guy though so....


Is there a lot more pressure on women to get married and have a kid...



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09 Oct 2010, 7:50 am

Its not.

Thats all I have to say.



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09 Oct 2010, 7:52 am

I don't mind if either sex lives with their parents or not. people should do what is right for them.


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