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why do so many on here feel it's okay to discriminate against anyone who is not AS? by that line of thinking it is okay for nt's to discriminate against them too. do you realize that not all nt people think and act the same, just as not all AS people are exactly the same. i often see people calling NT's idiots and other derogitory names. Not all nt's are perfect, many have other problems that are not AS and don't think the same as others but they also get lumped into the NT title given by the AS community. there are nt people who are geniuses and low-iq, same as on the spectrum. it seems really hypocritical to come here blaming all nt's for problems and centering them out while at the same time not wanting them to center people with AS out as a group and judge them all together.

I definitely don't like the NT-bashing I sometimes see, not just here but among a lot of autistic people (sometimes it really shocks me to see the cruelty in someone I didn't think was that cruel).

How would we like it if NTs started to come on here just to do the same thing to us? The NTs in my life are pretty decent people and the person who brought me in to this world, my mother is an NT. I say mother as a badge of honour instead of an insult, this time. It's not called Mum's Day, it's called Mother's Day.

I've also never had the misfortune of bumping into the NTs who did give me a hard time between Kindergarten and Grade 12. I'm sure that 90% of those people have matured by now, anyways. It seems ridiculous for me to be holding a grudge against an ex bully who's probably now a loving mother or father of an autistic child.

I don't NT bash and I also don't like seeing it here. I also hate the superior talk about us.

I have also called this out too about how we get upset when NTs bash us but yet we turn around and bash them. Then I would be told lot of them were mean to us. Sorry but it's still a double standard. I don't find it fair at all. I don't take aspies getting upset over aspie/autistic bashing seriously because of the double standard. To me it's all hypocritical.

NT's not accepting auties, at societal and personal levels is more of an issue.

Blacks disliked whites, because of discrimination.

Gays disliked straights, because of discrimination.

Once NT society assimilates auties in a healthy way, we can accept NT shortcomings, such as 2 face, sycophantic, fake, dishonest brown nosing, bullying, unintelligent, whores of babylon.....

I think it fair to be unhappy with an oppressor, though personally I have gotten over most of that minor stuff

Last edited by Surfman on 28 Mar 2011, 6:56 am, edited 1 time in total.

I don't like the NT-bashing either. I have met nice NTs and mean NTs. Same goes not non-NTs. It's not a question of whether someone is NT or not. Everyone is different. All NTs are different. NTs have problems too. I don't think their is a single person in the world who doesn't have any problems at all. Sure, some have less than others but everyone has problems, even if they are minor.

but just the fact that you are grouping all nt's together is discrimination. anytime you segregate people into groups and one group hates on another it is discrimination. are you certain that all nt's are all those things? they seem to me to be inaccurate generalizations probably based on misunderstandings(or ignorance) and a few bad eggs. do auties not also have short-comings? why does it have to be about asimilations? you realize most people don't even realize when someone has AS, they just see them as eccentric or personality traits unless there is some obvious pronounced stimming going on? i don't think people actively seek out auties in an effort to make them feel they don't fit in. NT's actually tend to take on some character flaws on purpose when they want to push people away and some of those are common in AS people so i can see how that causes problems but to place blame for something that is part of how society functions on the people themselves is silly. these things have evolved along with communication for centuries and are just an ingrained part of how things work.
i don't think it's possible to adapt an entire civilization to the views of a minority. i see alot of areas where accomidations are made or at least attempted. it is not as if there is a simple solution that would make all things work for all people or aspies specifically because each one is still human and unique and needs different things. yes, people who have differences of all sorts still get centered out in schools but that is not just an autie thing, it could be any difference like having red hair or acne or being clumsy. once you reach adulthood thankfully that stage of life is over with. what kind of accomidations or changes should have to take place to 'assimilate' one into society? i hate that word, by the way. this is society, not the borg. we don't need to be assimilated, we need to work together without all the hostility. wouldn't it be better to just accept your own differences and find a place where they can be used as assets? find a feild of work where these differences don't matter? say if you have difficulty socializing, why hold that against everyone who have no idea why you seem to not understand them or want to socialize? what exactly is it that is oppressive? when someone comes on here stating how horrible nts are and degrading pretty much most of the people in the world, why would the world then bend to that persons will or even want such a person around? perhaps some of the problems you are having are actually a reflection of your own attitude of superiority, your own desire to segregate yourself and play the victim because how you think of people reflects in how you treat them, and how you are treated in return. i'm not saying that there are no nt people who are bad people, of course there are but most are good and have good intentions. they don't set out to try and upset people and are often unaware that they have even caused a problem for someone if that person does not speak up and say something to them about it.

Amen to that!

NT's ..... and people with bad grammar....

I'm being irreverent......

I'm not serious

Last edited by Surfman on 28 Mar 2011, 6:28 am, edited 1 time in total.

It's fair, but a lot of what I see around here is a lot more than just that.

Like Uncle Toms letting oppressors get away with abuse because they are neurotypical and we are not?

People are still people whether they are AS or neurotypical or white or black or male or female...and so on.

Discrimination occurs everywhere unfortunately...I am neurotypical but by god do I get some discrimination from others because I suffer from Social anxiety and depression etc and am on disability for it.

I am not a fan of any kind of discrimination myself. All humans are humans even though no one human is ever exactly the same as another.

I agree!

Since autism is a spectrum, most of us have both AS and NT traits. I don't think it makes sense to call the two groups wholly separate. Discrimination is ugly, regardless.

I do think Surfman has a point, that people get to dislike their tormentors. But just like having one (or many) bad incident(s) with someone from another race shouldn't lead one to paint the entire race with a broad brush, neither should negative experiences with some NTs lead to coloring all NTs with the same brush.

I agree wholeheartedly.

But, things only change when you get angry, and harsh words are spoken.

Won freedoms seldom come from mild mannered approaches, except maybe the way Gandhi did it, but that was vegetarian India a long time a go.

One of the things I have learnt since my diagnosis 9 months ago, is that when I show some teeth and snarl(figuratively) NT's back off and leave me alone, instead of the usual situation of them scoring points off my passivity.

If anything this dramatised aggression(fake) enables me to function much better, as possible threats are soon eliminated

Dont be afraid to show some teeth.... its how the world is folks

I don't entirely disagree with you, but I think it's more complicated than that. The reason why Gandhi's nonviolence worked (and there are more recent examples, like Martin Luther King, or even the recent events in Egypt -- though it worked out a lot differently in Libya) is that a war of aggression against a more powerful opponent is doomed to failure, and a nonviolent approach (which is by no means passive but which relies on taking on a moral high ground through nonviolent, active resistance) is the only method that can be effective when the other side has much more power. (In other revolutions that were not nonviolent, there was generally a powerful ally to aid the rebels, like the French in the American Revolution.)

The same holds true for personal struggles. Standing your ground and attacking someone who has more power than you do, for instance in a social group, will only lead to you becoming a pariah and a victim. (I know because that's happened to me.) That's not to say that you can't bluff your way through a situation, but you're taking a personal risk. It's better to assess where you stand and weigh the risks before you go on the offensive, or the consequences could be painful.