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19 Jul 2011, 4:51 pm

I've only really learnt about Asperger's recently & realised that a lot of the stuff feels like it applies to me! However, I haven't had a diagnosis yet & I'm wondering if this is partly due to my early childhood (From when I was about 4 until I was about 8, I had Selective Mutism, so I get the idea that my parents had 'bigger fish to fry', so to speak. I'm also wondering if possible Asperger's made me have Selective Mutism, or Selective Mutism gave me Asperger's-like symptoms in terms of socialising? :huh: ). I'm also concerned about 'self-diagnosing' myself because I'm not completely Asperger's-like & I worry if it turns out I haven't got Asperger's, it'd feel like I was being deceitful if I said I did. That being said, I feel totally comfortable in this forum, as if I have found a group of people that're just like me, & that's kind of why I don't want to feel like I'm 'pretending' to have Asperger's.

I haven't discussed any of this with my parents yet, but I was wondering if a diagnosis would be worth it right now? I don't particularly think I need counselling or anything like that (maybe help for university & job interviews), but I'd like to know for peace of mind, most of all. I'm so confused...



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19 Jul 2011, 5:50 pm

I suppose i should preface by explaining the "sophomore syndrome" typically if you are psych major you take abnormal psych in your sophomore year, and yes there is a tendency to discover that you have everything. Mind you this is in a population that is more or less average (well you know they do say that psych majors are like a magazine stand because they have so many issues)

in anycase, selective mutism, while not an exclusivly AS trait certainly makes you stand out from the crowd.

Yes there is a lot of grey area in the diagnostic criteria, (remember that Dr's practice medicine, this is because they haven't gotten it down yet, and need more practice). Find someone who is up on the current research, and tell them why you think it is a good explanation, what about you makes you say "hey this sounds like me" when you look at info about AS, make the argument, the worst that can happen is that the guy disagrees, maybe they can point you in a more accurate direction. But don't buy it just because some guy in a suit with some fancy degrees on the wall tells you that you are not who you are. I am 34 and have only had a formal diagnosis since this past April. I was miss diagnosed with ADHD several times until I started to challenge it.
to go back to the grey area, bear in mind that psych diagnosies are not solid science, if you display more of charictoristic X than the general population by 2 standard deviations (its statistics, think the dif between a C and an A ) then you have a diagnosis, does this mean that if you are in the B+ range statistacally speaking you don't have essentially the same experince, a lower score may be an indicator that you have developed coping skills to deal with aspects of AS, Truth be told scores may fluctuate based on who administers a given scale.

Short version : even if you come in just under the bar (in the diagnostic sence) if this site is where you feel like you are at home then you are at home here the professionals can catch up later.


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19 Jul 2011, 7:03 pm

Hardly anyone who has AS is completely Asperger-like. As in, most of us are missing certain aspects of it. All one needs is "enough" of the right symptoms to qualify. It doesn't matter if some of them are not there.

I wouldn't worry too much about "self-diagnosis." You could always take the stance, like I did when first came here, of being open about the fact that you are. I've since been diagnosed, and it never would have happened if I hadn't self-diagnosed to begin with.


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19 Jul 2011, 7:58 pm

If ur new here, welcome.
I self-diagnosed myself back in September 2010 and then a psychiatrist told me I have it and that I was very smart for self-diagnosing myself! :D


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19 Jul 2011, 9:14 pm

AS and selective mutism are often found together. Autism can make it harder to get words out, and that makes you more generally vulnerable to selective mutism. So, sure, there could be a connection.


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19 Jul 2011, 9:17 pm

Welcome! Hope you enjoy this website as much as I do.


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19 Jul 2011, 10:42 pm

Selective mutism? I think I might actually have that, to some extent or another. This is definitely interesting, that's for sure.

Wikipedia wrote:
Selective mutism is a disorder affecting both children and adults, but mostly children. Children and adults with the disorder are fully capable of speech and understanding language, but can fail to speak in certain social situations when it is expected of them.[2] It is in presentation an inability to speak in certain situations. They function normally in other areas of behavior and learning, though appear withdrawn and some are unable to participate in group activities. The behaviour may be perceived as shyness by others, and can be linked to social anxiety. As an example, a child may be completely silent at school for years but speak quite freely or even excessively at home. There appears to be a hierarchical variation among those suffering from this disorder in that some children participate fully in school and appear social but don't speak, others will speak only to peers but not to adults, others will speak only to adults when asked questions requiring short answers but not to peers in social situations, and still others speak to no one and participate in few, if any, activities presented to them. In its most severe form known as "progressive mutism", the disorder progresses until the child no longer speaks to anyone at all, not even to close family members.

Particularly in young children, SM can sometimes be confused with an autism spectrum disorder, especially if the child acts particularly withdrawn around his or her diagnostician; this can lead to incorrect treatment. Individuals with SM can communicate normally when in a situation in which they feel comfortable, as can many individuals on the autism spectrum, especially those with Asperger syndrome. Although children on the autism spectrum may also be selectively mute, they display other behaviors—hand flapping, repetitive behaviors, social isolation even among family members (not always answering to name, for example)—that set them apart from a child with selective mutism. If a child is simply not speaking in social situations, this is likely not an autism spectrum disorder, but may be SM. Children with SM are not necessarily autistic, but children with autism frequently are nonverbal. Many people with selective mutism have social phobia or other anxiety disorder such as obsessive compulsive disorder.


I wouldn't consider it an 'inability to speak,' but more along the lines of 'I really don't feel like speaking to you right now; please leave me alone.' But it does often seem as if "the cat got my tongue," or else, wouldn't I be able to just say that? This is fascinating. Very very interesting.

Wikipedia wrote:
Also, here's a list of the symptoms. Seems to be very similar to AS.

Difficulty maintaining eye contact
Often doesn't smile and has blank expressions
Stiff and awkward movements
Liking sameness and routine
Tendency to worry about things more than others
Sensitivity to noise and crowds, etc
Difficulty talking about themselves or expressing their feelings
Show excessive shyness, fear of social embarrassment, or social isolation and withdrawal
Moodiness, inflexibility, sleep problems

On the positive side, many sufferers have:

Above-average intelligence, perception, or inquisitiveness
Sensitivity to others' thoughts and feelings and empathy
Have a good sense of right and wrong


And now I'm once again back at the beginning... do I really have AS, or could it be this? Or are they the same thing?


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20 Jul 2011, 4:33 am

SammichEater wrote:
I wouldn't consider it an 'inability to speak,' but more along the lines of 'I really don't feel like speaking to you right now; please leave me alone.' But it does often seem as if "the cat got my tongue," or else, wouldn't I be able to just say that? This is fascinating. Very very interesting.

Well, is it like you're trying to force out words, but they won't come out, or is it like you have no interest in speaking?

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Wikipedia wrote:
Also, here's a list of the symptoms. Seems to be very similar to AS.

Difficulty maintaining eye contact
Often doesn't smile and has blank expressions
Stiff and awkward movements
Liking sameness and routine
Tendency to worry about things more than others
Sensitivity to noise and crowds, etc
Difficulty talking about themselves or expressing their feelings
Show excessive shyness, fear of social embarrassment, or social isolation and withdrawal
Moodiness, inflexibility, sleep problems

On the positive side, many sufferers have:

Above-average intelligence, perception, or inquisitiveness
Sensitivity to others' thoughts and feelings and empathy
Have a good sense of right and wrong


And now I'm once again back at the beginning... do I really have AS, or could it be this? Or are they the same thing?

Exactly! :huh: It's so confusing when two things are so similar... I mean, I don't have SM anymore, but I'm wondering if the main symptom left & the others remained, and possibly not interacting with other kids for so long meant I didn't (and still don't) know how to?



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20 Jul 2011, 6:07 am

The only difference between selective mutism and the AS traits is people with SM have a high level of empathy...which is often low for aspies (according the critera anyway)

I think SM might really be on the spectrum but they havent gotten around to realizing that yet


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20 Jul 2011, 11:34 am

jojobean wrote:
The only difference between selective mutism and the AS traits is people with SM have a high level of empathy...which is often low for aspies (according the critera anyway)

I think SM might really be on the spectrum but they havent gotten around to realizing that yet

I'm inclined to agree with you there. The symptoms are just so similar.

I took an emotional intelligence & empathy test online & got a very low score on the former...