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MotownDangerPants
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03 Sep 2011, 11:58 am

Mwahahaha.

I don't know but if it's true then Olivia Wilde DEFINITELY has Asperger's.



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03 Sep 2011, 12:01 pm

Seriously though, I really do look like the girl in the first pic.



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04 Sep 2011, 8:39 am

General appearances, don't indicate a certain way of long-term thinking that oneself has. The hypothesis would make sense if it were inquiring about mental disorders or conditions that come about as major genetic mutations, such as downs syndrome. But the fact is that, this is Autism, which is still, an ever evolving subject in the field of Psychology, we don't even know what exactly Autism is brought on by. That's why, Autism is so difficult to diagnose and treat, because their are so many different variables, that it will look different in any given individual or population in relation to another. Their are rudimentary similarities, or else we wouldn't even know that Autism was a disorder, let alone a disorder with a spectrum. That people take this and try to profile a certain population group, without any blatantly obvious reason to do so, is without morale ground. Ones job as a professional, is not to alienate a group that is already alienated in popular culture. Furthermore, what is the purpose of profiling a certain group? To make the Psychologist's and Psychiatrist jobs easier. Why not, Its what we did with African- Americans, Native Americans, and other minority groups, whether it be to dehumanize African- American persons, so as to maintain the morality of the slave market, trade and of slave labor in the United States. Or to have the morale grounds to conquer a people, who we had been killing for years, let alone to inflict the genocide the Native- American typically faced. It continues to this day, even after the century of equal rights movements, such as Women's suffrage, Civil Rights etc. We have strings of never ending criticisms of our president, which have spanned from issues of his name to the color of his skin, and even his citizenship was questioned. So in retrospect, America should stop looking for things that can be used as grounds to discriminate upon a minority group. Lastly, I resent the childlike, and innocent allusions to Autism. Im 16, I most likely have an Autism Spectrum disorder, yet I can be very angry at times, and I know how to show it, in order to send a message when necessary. I know how to hurt someone when Im angry, and I fight exceptionally, yet I know that the misuse of these skills are counter- productive and even barbaric, so I only use them when necessary. And when I do, I use them affectively and to my advantage. But it mostly involves intimidation tactics, by either acting cold or irrationally angry, to sending them mixed signals. So I generally focus on preemptive strategy, in order to win a fight before it even happens, either through arguing a point, or outsmarting them. I hope no one associates me with a Sociopath after I've related that part of my personality, Its just what I've used to survive bullying, I don't fight anyone who doesn't have anything against me. Im actually a very loving person, and I care about many people, I've learned to use empathy, in order to associate myself with other. Im actually very outgoing and sociable, in these years of my life.



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04 Sep 2011, 8:56 am

No genetically-coded human trait evolved in a vacuum,
but alongside hundreds of other phenotypes,
and for every dozen anecdotal flukes ("Do Aspies have bigger feet?")
there stands to be at least one actual correlation ("Do Aspies have higher incidence of asexuality?")

That NT's also have these traits
and most Autistics DON'T have them is quite irrelevant-
the question is whether within a specific population there is a statistically GREATER incidence of a trait than in those outside it.


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04 Sep 2011, 9:02 am

I say nonsense.
I predict that there will be no detectable difference in still photographs alone.

In video there would be because mannerisms would become noticeable. Audio would pick up distinguishing speech patterns.



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04 Sep 2011, 10:42 am

jackbus01 wrote:
I say nonsense.
I predict that there will be no detectable difference in still photographs alone.

In video there would be because mannerisms would become noticeable. Audio would pick up distinguishing speech patterns.


The thread is not about mannerisms at all, but physical features, which would be quite-evident in photographs.


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04 Sep 2011, 1:29 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
No genetically-coded human trait evolved in a vacuum,
but alongside hundreds of other phenotypes,
and for every dozen anecdotal flukes ("Do Aspies have bigger feet?")
there stands to be at least one actual correlation ("Do Aspies have higher incidence of asexuality?")

That NT's also have these traits
and most Autistics DON'T have them is quite irrelevant-
the question is whether within a specific population there is a statistically GREATER incidence of a trait than in those outside it.
I was talking about DIRECT correlations between a physical feature and a mentality. Im not disputing that a certain behavior can be a correlation among a given population of Aspies. Im just noting that, even though a specific population of Aspies is Asexual or has bigger feet, doesn't mean the next Asexual female with Autistic traits will be an Aspie. Which is why I posted about the diversity in thought. I wasn't saying that Aspies have no genetic markers, patterns, traits in common, or we wouldn't have the Autism Spectrum disorders identified. I was posting to say that drawing correlations to the point of profiling, would be the wrong choice, in that, people would have a common ground on which to discriminate upon Aspies or anyone with an ASD. Its what the National Socialist German Workers Party instilled in their ideology, that their are certain, physical traits on which to distinguish between a "Superior" and "Inferior" human being. They killed hundreds of thousands of the mentally and physically disabled, let alone the millions of Jews and Gypsies, and many more minorities. This was all because of the differences we saw in one another. We don't need to draw correlations that are obviously IRRELEVANT. Unless there's a direct correlation between me being asexual to me being an Aspie, I will look at more relevant subject matter such as thinking over that if one Aspie is prone to another condition later in life, could that be a correlation among a wider range of Aspies.



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04 Sep 2011, 3:58 pm

I don't have big feet - I'm size 5, which is a size too small for my body height.

My head ain't bigger than average either.

Every time a thread pops up with a topic like this, there are always completely different physical feature types mentioned from the one before, as though we're just picking anything on our bodies at random and passing it off as a unique trait found in Autistics only - even though everything here mentioned I have seen on NTs too.
I might aswell look at my ears and say ''they stick out a bit because I'm an Aspie, do other Aspies have ears that stick out a bit?'' and the answer is no. Everybody's ears are different - some stick out more than others because it was the way they were made in the womb.

Everybody looks different from one another. If everybody looked the same with exactly everything in place on their bodies, you wouldn't be able to tell anyone apart.

I look like my dad, and other relatives on his side of the family.

What I'm trying to say is, we don't have any distinct look that you can recognise us by, like people with Down's Syndrome do. The only common features are the way we use facial expressions and body language, but that's not due to how are bodies are built - that's due to our conscious lack of social abilities. But even they don't make other people who don't know us suddenly guess that we have AS though.


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04 Sep 2011, 7:34 pm

Isn't it an aspie thing to find patterns in pretty much everything? :wink:
I think that's why these threads keep popping up.



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04 Sep 2011, 7:40 pm

Joe90 wrote:
What I'm trying to say is, we don't have any distinct look that you can recognise us by, like people with Down's Syndrome do. The only common features are the way we use facial expressions and body language, but that's not due to how are bodies are built - that's due to our conscious lack of social abilities. But even they don't make other people who don't know us suddenly guess that we have AS though.


But there are physical features that autistic people are statistically more likely to have than non-autistic people (NT or otherwise). There's been at least one study on this.



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04 Sep 2011, 8:10 pm

Verdandi wrote:
But there are physical features that autistic people are statistically more likely to have than non-autistic people (NT or otherwise). There's been at least one study on this.


I'm curious -- which physical features?



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04 Sep 2011, 8:16 pm

oceandrop wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
But there are physical features that autistic people are statistically more likely to have than non-autistic people (NT or otherwise). There's been at least one study on this.


I'm curious -- which physical features?


There's a long list of them. The one I primarily remember is "attached" earlobes.



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04 Sep 2011, 9:03 pm

Thanks that's interesting. I looked this up and found a study you mentioned: - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20473590

J Autism Dev Disord. 2011 Jan;41(1):23-31.
Morphological features in children with autism spectrum disorders: a matched case-control study.

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According to their findings, several features occurred among the group of autistic children but were absent among the neurotypical group, including:

Brachycephaly (flat, wide head; TH had this from back sleeping, but his fontanelles didn't close until very late, rather than too early)
Mouth asymmetry
Ear lobe crease
Asymmetry of the eyes
A large mouth
Limited facial expression (only in new social situations)
An abnormal whorl (TH has a piebald hair color distribution; he has a neurotypical cousin with double whorls)
A prominent lower jaw

Further, certain features occurred in the ASD group with relatively high frequency, including:

Sandal gap toes
An abnormal frontal hair whorl
Attached earlobes
A high, narrow palate
Hypermobile joints


Well. with the exception of the facial expressions bit, I don't think any of this applies to me.

EDIT: Looking at Table 2 and the p-values (mostly <0.001) I think their data is WAY too good and I simply don't believe it. If there were really 48 morphological features that are so common in autism then we would likely be able to tell an autistic person from looking at them. I think their data is fudged (i.e. BS). According to them, full cheeks, arched eyebrows, large nose, and countless other simple facial features are way over-represented in autism patients.



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05 Sep 2011, 9:56 am

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According to their findings, several features occurred among the group of autistic children but were absent among the neurotypical group, including:

Brachycephaly (flat, wide head; TH had this from back sleeping, but his fontanelles didn't close until very late, rather than too early)
Mouth asymmetry
Ear lobe crease
Asymmetry of the eyes
A large mouth
Limited facial expression (only in new social situations)
An abnormal whorl (TH has a piebald hair color distribution; he has a neurotypical cousin with double whorls)
A prominent lower jaw

Further, certain features occurred in the ASD group with relatively high frequency, including:

Sandal gap toes
An abnormal frontal hair whorl
Attached earlobes
A high, narrow palate
Hypermobile joints


And 99 percent of NTs don't have any of these and 99 percent of Aspies do? I don't believe all this s**t - people are just trying to make themselves believe that Autistic people are born so different from everybody else it's getting ridiculous. I don't have any of these at all.


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05 Sep 2011, 11:10 am

But seriously, do aspies have bigger feet?