Page 6 of 8 [ 118 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next

Twist
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 24 Aug 2011
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 25
Location: Being awesome in Ireland

20 Sep 2011, 6:02 am

I feel abit bad for the guy, true he was being a dickhead but according to the papers he's also an alcoholic recluse because of his social problems.

it's easy to chastise someone, but i'm sure more than most of the people on this forum know what it's like to be victimized and it's easy to lose perspective and consequence of ones' actions, especially on the internet.

if someone put me in jail for such a misdemeanour, knowing full well that i wouldn't exactly flourish in such an enviroment, i'm pretty certain i'd come out with a joseph konopka size grudge against society and even less empathy or sense of social morality than when i went in.

educate and fix someone who's borderline psychotic? nu uh, let's put them in a prison cell and see what that does to them first :roll:



nemorosa
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Aug 2010
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,121
Location: Amongst the leaves.

20 Sep 2011, 6:16 am

Twist wrote:
I feel abit bad for the guy, true he was being a dickhead but according to the papers he's also an alcoholic recluse because of his social problems.


Lots of us have social problems, so what? And alcohol is never an excuse. Is it a reasonable excuse when someone beats their wife? How about when they kill a child when drink driving?

Twist wrote:
it's easy to chastise someone, but i'm sure more than most of the people on this forum know what it's like to be victimized and it's easy to lose perspective and consequence of ones' actions, especially on the internet.


Personally, having been the victim of bullying through much of my youth I know only to well what it is like to be on the receiving end. Consequently I wouldn't wish to inflict such misery on others. He too should know better.

Twist wrote:
if someone put me in jail for such a misdemeanour, knowing full well that i wouldn't exactly flourish in such an enviroment, i'm pretty certain i'd come out with a joseph konopka size grudge against society and even less empathy or sense of social morality than when i went in.

educate and fix someone who's borderline psychotic? nu uh, let's put them in a prison cell and see what that does to them first :roll:


I'm sure he's gone to one of the softer prisons, rather than one for more serious and violent offenders. One would hope that while there he gets some treatment for his issues as well a time to reflect upon his behaviour. He is not insane but responsible for his own actions as are we all.



Twist
Tufted Titmouse
Tufted Titmouse

User avatar

Joined: 24 Aug 2011
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 25
Location: Being awesome in Ireland

20 Sep 2011, 7:29 am

nemorosa wrote:
Lots of us have social problems, so what? And alcohol is never an excuse. Is it a reasonable excuse when someone beats their wife? How about when they kill a child when drink driving?


I said it was easy to lose sight of perspective when you're trolling the internet, off your tits. you can't just turn the monitor off and go to bed after beating your wife or killing someone on the road. Well you can, but chances are you'll get woken up by the popo. I'll admit i was surprised when i found out he was 25, the whole thing sounded like a kid of about 14 or so.

Quote:
Personally, having been the victim of bullying through much of my youth I know only to well what it is like to be on the receiving end. Consequently I wouldn't wish to inflict such misery on others. He too should know better.


becoming resentful, cynical and anti-social would imply that he's no longer capable of knowing better - speculative, but that's what this thread is turning into.

Quote:
I'm sure he's gone to one of the softer prisons, rather than one for more serious and violent offenders. One would hope that while there he gets some treatment for his issues as well a time to reflect upon his behaviour. He is not insane but responsible for his own actions as are we all.


i didn't say he was insane, i said he was borderline psychotic - if you think that an aspie who shuts himself away, drinks himself to sleep and spends his hours defacing the dead infront of their relatives for personal amusement is entirely within the spectrum of healthy reality, by all means disagree - personally i could justify it quite easily, but then again I'm not the best advocate for what's morally reprehensible.

personally, i can't think of any productive outcome prison is going to have on such an obviously introverted man, besides adding to already obvious depression :/



ZaannV
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 10 Sep 2011
Age: 27
Gender: Female
Posts: 83

20 Sep 2011, 12:50 pm

wtf.....


_________________
I?ll follow thee and make a heaven of hell,
To die upon the hand I love so well


ScientistOfSound
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 May 2011
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,014
Location: In an evil testing facility

20 Sep 2011, 2:07 pm

...F##k this I'm going to live in a cave somewhere away from everybody else.



Burzum
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Apr 2011
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,205

20 Sep 2011, 6:22 pm

nemorosa wrote:
If you can't see the difference there isn't much else to be said on the matter.

My comment made it quite clear that I can "see" the difference. That has nothing to do with my argument, the person I was responding to claimed that it doesn't fall under free speech since it is "mocking and harassing", and I pointed out that political protests can also be considered "mocking and harassing", therefore by their own argument we should not be allowed to protest.



patiz
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 205
Location: Newport, Wales, UK

20 Sep 2011, 6:40 pm

Recently in britain a mother was cleared of murder of her autistic son, because it had caused her so much suffering, and she had struggled for 11 years to care for him. So it seems its ok for NTs to kill autistic's, but if autistics say as much as a word, well chuck em in jail.



pensieve
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,326
Location: Sydney, Australia

20 Sep 2011, 6:51 pm

Burzum wrote:
That's still retarded. If someone is trolling, you ignore them. Absolute freedom of speech should always be upheld on the internet.

People have been bullied so much online they have taken their lives.
Now I too would just ignore them but not everyone can. Some people go online and get emotionally involved and when something negative happens like some bored kid telling someone to get raped - well, it can damage them.

Whether the troll had AS or not is no excuse.There's nothing in the diagnostic criteria about being an a**hole. Being abrupt and not recognising emotions isn't the same as harassing people.

As for the protesting thing...come on. The only protests that should be illegal are anti-gay protests at servicemen's funerals.


_________________
My band photography blog - http://lostthroughthelens.wordpress.com/
My personal blog - http://helptheywantmetosocialise.wordpress.com/


_Square_Peg_
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 29 Jan 2009
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 640
Location: in a round hole

20 Sep 2011, 6:55 pm

patiz wrote:
Recently in britain a mother was cleared of murder of her autistic son, because it had caused her so much suffering, and she had struggled for 11 years to care for him. So it seems its ok for NTs to kill autistic's, but if autistics say as much as a word, well chuck em in jail.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... leach.html

You mean this article?
The mother wanted to kill herself along with her son (I'm guessing out of guilt because she wasn't able to raise an autistic child very well), but changes her mind at the last minute. And I don't think she's an NT, she seems to suffer at least one mental illness.


_________________
My icon is a sea pig http://www.neatorama.com/tag/sea-pig/
I made it myself
Feel free to check out my other artwork http://toonskribblez.deviantart.com/


patiz
Sea Gull
Sea Gull

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 205
Location: Newport, Wales, UK

21 Sep 2011, 5:51 pm

Tis right square peg



NorwichAspie
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 18 Jun 2011
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 78

20 Jan 2012, 4:18 am

Bad press concerning aspies is better than no press whatsoever.



whalewatcher
Blue Jay
Blue Jay

User avatar

Joined: 13 Mar 2011
Age: 58
Gender: Male
Posts: 79

20 Jan 2012, 4:48 am

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Sean Duffy, but it's worth noting that one of the memorial sites he defaced was to a teenage girl who committed suicide because she was sent hurtful anonymous messages from a group of girls at her school. Example:
‘You’re a f***ing slut hiding under all your make-up. You think you’re pretty and that all the guys like you. Start acting nice to people or you will lose everyone.’

I'm not sure if this lead to any prosections, even though it lead to her suicide. Sean Duffy hurt her relatives, but someone else effectively killed her. Which was worse I wonder?



hanyo
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Sep 2011
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,427

20 Jan 2012, 6:02 am

Surfman wrote:
When I used to rehome and retrain bad dogs, chaining them to the kennel was a punishment reserved for fighting and anti social behaviour.

After being ignored for 12 hours and a night in the hole they were more willing to conform to the ground rules


Unless you stick another dog in there that physically assaults them and maybe even rapes them it's not the same.

If I ever had to be in jail or prison I'd never survive unless I could just be in solitary the whole time. I'd prefer being in solitary.



hanyo
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Sep 2011
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,427

20 Jan 2012, 6:21 am

I agree that what they did was wrong but I've seen lots of stuff that bad or worse online and it seems like everyone just gets away with it.



Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 30,523
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

20 Jan 2012, 10:20 am

why is it everyone allows these people to represent the AS community? I mean sure it is a bit obnoxious when AS is thrown around a lot in that manner but at the same time even if that jerk did have AS its not as though he represents the majority of people with AS.


_________________
Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies, tell me lies.