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15 Sep 2011, 1:50 pm

Just maybe Sean Duffy has suffered at the hands of NT's for years and with the useless mental health system for Aspies in this once great country all that anger has to go somewhere. If you put pressure on something for so long, it ends up breaking. Thats what is happening to many aspies. Lets face it, for REAL aspies is hard.

He was mocking the dead although aspies get mocked every day of the friggin year.



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15 Sep 2011, 2:09 pm

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Just maybe Sean Duffy has suffered at the hands of NT's for years and with the useless mental health system for Aspies in this once great country all that anger has to go somewhere. If you put pressure on something for so long, it ends up breaking. Thats what is happening to many aspies. Lets face it, for REAL aspies is hard.

He was mocking the dead although aspies get mocked every day of the friggin year.


So its just like a clever bully tormentor, being discrete and not getting caught.... and the dumb angry hurt aspie lashing out publicly and being blamed? Hmmm

I suppose if your needing to express anger for years of received torment, mocking the deaths of dumb NT's who made fatal errors of judgement, may not be the best way to go about it.

He should protest outside a Gubbermint autism agency, not hurt grieving relatives.... and make other aspies look bad.



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15 Sep 2011, 2:21 pm

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NorwichAspie wrote:
Just maybe Sean Duffy has suffered at the hands of NT's for years and with the useless mental health system for Aspies in this once great country all that anger has to go somewhere. If you put pressure on something for so long, it ends up breaking. Thats what is happening to many aspies. Lets face it, for REAL aspies is hard.

He was mocking the dead although aspies get mocked every day of the friggin year.


So its just like a clever bully tormentor, being discrete and not getting caught.... and the dumb angry hurt aspie lashing out publicly and being blamed? Hmmm

I suppose if your needing to express anger for years of received torment, mocking the deaths of dumb NT's who made fatal errors of judgement, may not be the best way to go about it.

He should protest outside a Gubbermint autism agency, not hurt grieving relatives.... and make other aspies look bad.


This. Exactly


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15 Sep 2011, 2:37 pm

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He was convicted under the Malicious Communications Act 1988.
Actually it was The Communications Act 2003, and under section 127 of the act it is an offence to send messages that are "grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character". The offence occurs whether those targeted actually receive the message or not.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127

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Nobody I know has even heard of this law before.
I had.


And as parts of this thread look uncomfortably like a lynch mob gathering up the rope, I'm out.
I wonder if it's occurred to some of you how it would look if you actually said to Sean Duffy the things you've posted here?
Think about that one, because you've quite likely been on the receiving end of something similar.


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15 Sep 2011, 5:13 pm

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The guy who use to give me rides to my Dungeons and Dragons group was convicted of having child porn and concealing hidden cameras in the bathroom of the computer store he worked at he blamed his perversion on his High Functioning Autism. He went to college, drove, lived on his own, and had a good paying job. His autism had no obvious effect on his life. Having met him I would say he was very lightly effected by his his autism if at all. But you can guess what his lawyer blamed his having child porn on his computer on? His lawyer tried to make it sound like he had no self control due to his HFA. :roll:


It certainly doesn't stop someone from knowing his actions are against the law. It doesn't excuse anyone from knowingly breaking the law. But it might, in some cases, make it hard for someone to see why (for instance) having certain pictures should be a crime in the first place. We all deal with "laws" that aren't really expected to be strictly followed by everyone, and other laws that are dead serious and violators are generally considered Pure Evil (TM)... really black and white thinkers are going to have trouble telling the difference between the two. Still, if it's on the books and you get caught, you're pretty much SOL unless you can prove severe mental incapacity... and that's the way it should be.



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15 Sep 2011, 5:32 pm

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That's still retarded. If someone is trolling, you ignore them. Absolute freedom of speech should always be upheld on the internet.


I disagree. DId you read what he did? He created a video using the face of a girl who died on a railway line and pasted it onto a children's cartoon train. He wrote on her tribute face book page. "I fell asleep on the track lulz."
That's just sick!

Imagine if one of your close friends or relatives had died and some stranger was making horrible comments to you about it.

There are things that people just shouldn't do. There's no reason to be unkind and thoughtless and aggressively post abusive messages directed at hurting people.

By all means have an opinion about things, but there's no need to hurt other people.


I agree that he's a terrible person. Still, the American version of freedom of speech is too ingrained into me for me to agree with his being jailed.


So basicly you're saying that freedom of speech is the freedom to be as big a jerk as possible, and not the freedom to express your belief or oppinions openly? What a great world I live in then? No wander I think abusers get loved.


Um... Those two things are one in the same, buddy. We can't protect "good" speech and not "bad" speech, because who determines which is which? If we're gonna play that game, then anything one doesn't agree with is "bad," and whatever they do agree with is "good." Once you go that route, be prepared to be silenced simply because someone doesn't agree with you.



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15 Sep 2011, 6:33 pm

NorwichAspie wrote:
Just maybe Sean Duffy has suffered at the hands of NT's for years and with the useless mental health system for Aspies in this once great country all that anger has to go somewhere. If you put pressure on something for so long, it ends up breaking. Thats what is happening to many aspies. Lets face it, for REAL aspies is hard.

He was mocking the dead although aspies get mocked every day of the friggin year.


Betcha my life is tougher than his and I don't do that. He needs to channel his energies into something more positive.



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15 Sep 2011, 7:16 pm

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Um... Those two things are one in the same, buddy. We can't protect "good" speech and not "bad" speech, because who determines which is which? If we're gonna play that game, then anything one doesn't agree with is "bad," and whatever they do agree with is "good." Once you go that route, be prepared to be silenced simply because someone doesn't agree with you.


Ok so mocking and harassing someone is haveing "just an oppinion'. Got it.



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15 Sep 2011, 8:05 pm

If you have nothing good to say then it is better not to say anything at all, this has been said probably for centuries, but at what point is it allowed to be forgotten?

Once you own a newspaper?

Once you write a comment to a newspaper?

Once you print up leaflets?

Once you daub it all over the internet?

Just because the medium has changed, does not mean the law has...a death threat is still a death threat regardless of the medium it is carried by and if he had sent them one of those people would be arguing that it means little on the internet.

The simple fact is that his mocking and bullying and harrassment of these people happened, and the judge for once did the right thing and took a stance against it. If only more judges were like this and threw rioters in jail, vandals in jail, burglars in jail and took an absolutely no nonsense approach to similar assholes who think they can get away with what they want.

It doesn't matter is he has aspergers, and I doubt he has and is simply using that as an excuse, as 20 years ago everyone tried to claim insanity. In 20 years doubtless everyone who wants to commit a crime will claim little green men put chips in their brain.



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15 Sep 2011, 8:10 pm

The good news is now that he's been to jail he might feel motivated to do something with his life besides drinking and trying to upset people online. What a waste of time that is!



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15 Sep 2011, 10:05 pm

Surfman wrote:
NorwichAspie wrote:
Just maybe Sean Duffy has suffered at the hands of NT's for years and with the useless mental health system for Aspies in this once great country all that anger has to go somewhere. If you put pressure on something for so long, it ends up breaking. Thats what is happening to many aspies. Lets face it, for REAL aspies is hard.

He was mocking the dead although aspies get mocked every day of the friggin year.


So its just like a clever bully tormentor, being discrete and not getting caught.... and the dumb angry hurt aspie lashing out publicly and being blamed? Hmmm

I suppose if your needing to express anger for years of received torment, mocking the deaths of dumb NT's who made fatal errors of judgement, may not be the best way to go about it.

He should protest outside a Gubbermint autism agency, not hurt grieving relatives.... and make other aspies look bad.


Believe me he's already made us look bad with Asperger's Syndrome being mentioned.


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15 Sep 2011, 10:12 pm

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it is leading to a really slippery slope. WHERE DOES IT END?


He was convicted under the Malicious Communications Act 1988.
That means this act has been part of the law in the UK for 23 years!

Nobody I know has even heard of this law before.
I'm glad the authorities only use it in rare cases such as this one.


It covers phone stalking and sending endless messages that way too, threatening letters (poison pen) as well as plastering malicious posters around the town of people.

I am sure you have heard of it, and I glad the courts are smacking down these people who think they can hide behind the internet and get away with whatever they want.

I have been an internet moderator for longer than most people have been able to reach a keyboard and in that time I have seen an incredible amount of crap, it is about time the law started taking this seriously.


I agree with this. Some things go beyond just being offensive and get into the realm of defamation. I've been cyber-stalked, my personal information dug up and posted and personal and professional defamatory comments posted in a public forum about me, and there was very little that I could do about it as a criminal thing (if I had the money to spend I could've taken the b*tch to court). It happened in 2005 and the harassment (over a freaking political issue) has stopped, but I agree that there should be more recourse for people who have been harmed in this way. The person involved didn't even care that I have three kids who could possibly be put at risk by her actions. There is a difference between plain-vanilla trolling and actually defaming someone, whether it be online or in print or verbally.

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16 Sep 2011, 5:08 pm

Meow101 wrote:
Sparhawke wrote:
Pete255 wrote:
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it is leading to a really slippery slope. WHERE DOES IT END?


He was convicted under the Malicious Communications Act 1988.
That means this act has been part of the law in the UK for 23 years!

Nobody I know has even heard of this law before.
I'm glad the authorities only use it in rare cases such as this one.


It covers phone stalking and sending endless messages that way too, threatening letters (poison pen) as well as plastering malicious posters around the town of people.

I am sure you have heard of it, and I glad the courts are smacking down these people who think they can hide behind the internet and get away with whatever they want.

I have been an internet moderator for longer than most people have been able to reach a keyboard and in that time I have seen an incredible amount of crap, it is about time the law started taking this seriously.


I agree with this. Some things go beyond just being offensive and get into the realm of defamation. I've been cyber-stalked, my personal information dug up and posted and personal and professional defamatory comments posted in a public forum about me, and there was very little that I could do about it as a criminal thing (if I had the money to spend I could've taken the b*tch to court). It happened in 2005 and the harassment (over a freaking political issue) has stopped, but I agree that there should be more recourse for people who have been harmed in this way. The person involved didn't even care that I have three kids who could possibly be put at risk by her actions. There is a difference between plain-vanilla trolling and actually defaming someone, whether it be online or in print or verbally.

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I do not really want to toot my own horn here but I have been around the internet since around 1985 when it was very new, right up past the yahoo stage and beyond, everyone seems to think because they are from another country they are untouchable...

But I want to give a shout out to all the trolls out there, you are not.

Me, and moderators like me know who people are, we can track IPs and proxies and we are the big cats of the internet.

I have been moderating the internet for over 25 years, I have seen a hell of a lot and every time someone thinks they are hidden and I say nothing, I want you all to know you are known to me....you can not run, you can not hide and someday you WILL get caught.

I do not like fighting on the internet, I chase topics that interest me and answer occasionally but the one thing I hate is assholes giving us all a bad name, people that purposely look for trouble belong in jail and I love to be accommodating.



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20 Sep 2011, 5:17 am

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Ok so mocking and harassing someone is haveing "just an oppinion'. Got it.

Should people be allowed to protest outside of political party offices? That could be easily interpreted as "mocking and harassing". While yes, most people consider mocking a dead person to be in bad taste, as the other person said there is a subjective line that nobody can draw.



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20 Sep 2011, 5:46 am

Burzum wrote:
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Ok so mocking and harassing someone is haveing "just an oppinion'. Got it.

Should people be allowed to protest outside of political party offices? That could be easily interpreted as "mocking and harassing". While yes, most people consider mocking a dead person to be in bad taste, as the other person said there is a subjective line that nobody can draw.


It is one thing to "protest" against an institution or organisation and quite another to taunt and cruelly mock specific individuals and families. If you can't see the difference there isn't much else to be said on the matter.

All this is moot anyhow. We have in England the "Malicious Communications Act" passed by our elected parliament. The CPS decided that there was a case for prosecution and the defendant didn't even contest the charges. Guilty and case closed.