Solving autism via illegal drugs

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It looks like it did do some good to you MrXxx this is just what the original post was about in my opinion. If it can do some lasting good, it did with you if you know it's not for you.
Me, I used all kinds of junk and don't advise it to aspies neither, two of my best friends have aspergers to and I relate to them well enough when I'm sober. I've always been interested in what it does however especially in social interaction with other people from the spectrum. LSD can bring you to a shared fantasy land or some amphetamine like substance such as ritalin or mdma will really get those mirrorneurons going. Associative memory and the interesting things that it brings if you're with other people that you can relate to better than you could normally.
Mushrooms may be too extreme and unpredictable, this can lead to bad things if the environment isn't sound. DMT is a synthetic drug that is also by nature in our system, if you vaporize it you might see some interesting things too.
If you have more money and time I advise you go travelling if you search for novelty! I now only smoke marijuana from time to time, I think it's important to switch perspectives and thinkingabout things, but harddrugs are way too dangerous and can stimulate depression or psychosis via addiction.

I think too that you've got to accept problems and yourself in stead of trying to fix things or forget about other things by using drugs, still to be radically against this is perhaps to easy, If you're temperate enough and so on it might do some good

I am from Holland and it is perfectly legal over here to smoke soft drugs like marihuana and weed. And why not?!
Alcohol has a far more destructive influence on people than a bit of weed that only calms you down and makes you feel (very) relaxed and mellow. I am absolutely not into consuming way too much alchohol and I have never even tried hard drugs in my life, but I do like to smoke some weed now and again. I only smoke one joint or half a joint a day before I go to sleep and if I have to take care of matters of importance the next day I don't smoke weed at all.

I realise that this is quite shocking to people who live in countries where weed is illegal but in Holland it's just not that big of a deal, as long as you use it wisely and with moderation ofcourse.

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of course, the people for whom this worked would no longer be posting on WP.

it wouldn't surprise me if the guys who took ecstasy saw some big changes over time.

My experimentation with ecstasy took place over a 3 year period and that was about 10 years ago now so I am pretty convinced that I would have noticed any lasting changes by now. Sadly any positive effects were only temporary in my case.

I don't think so. Anyone who's experienced a 'miracle cure' is usually pretty evangelical about getting everyone else to try it.

Plus, I know a guy who's on the spectrum who's done plenty of MDMA and he can no longer take it, as the depression afterwards is horrendous.

i took extacy no important changes

And "bad trips" seem to be a LOT more common in aspies than in NTs. I remember reading in a tabloid about Dyan Cannon (an actress/model who was popular in my parents' day) and how she dated Gary Cooper, and he forced her to take acid. He had pleasant experiences with it, and told her that she would "find the mind of God". Instead, she had AWFUL trips, every single time. She ultimately dumped Cooper, then had a mental breakdown due to damage the acid caused. It makes me wonder if she isn't a little on the spectrum. I know that weed can induce schizophrenia in aspies (and some others). One woman wrote here on WP, that having autism is in some cases like having a brain that's permanently having an acid trip. If you take acid ON TOP OF that, it can be bad news. It makes me wonder if the reason that so many aspies are so against drugs, is to protect us. Natures way of stopping us from doing real damage to ourselves.

I have AS and ADHD-NOS and take Adderall XS daily. Completely legal and helps with a lot of aspects.

The drugs mentioned in this thread are illegal for a good reason. Autistic people shouldn't compound their neurological condition with drugs that cause significant problems even in neurotypical people.

1. I don't believe that ecstacy actually increases empathy, its just messes with people's heads so they think they have increased empathy. It probably wouldn't effect an aspie the same way either.

2. I have a good imagination, so when I first heard about this stereotype it surprised me. Anyway, hallucinations do not substitute imagination.

3. How is inducing synesthesia supposed to cure it?

I use cannabis to self medicate.........I do not think any drugs legal or illegal 'cure' autism, but in my case I think cannabis helps decrease the negitive symptoms of it. Psychedelics like mushrooms and LSD are certainly amazing but I don't know that they do anything for the symptoms.

As for extasy when i tried it, it did seem to increase my empathy a little, but I was also on LSD so...not sure what exactly was causing which specific effects.

I have managed to snag the party queen, quite a few times after taking LSD
It makes me lucky in love With lovely big eyes that say: kiss me oh rubber lips

If anything the only real benefits in general terms could be an expanded consciousness

But a severely disciplined environment with minders, would be needed for many peeps here.....

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That idea is complete fantasy. Any event whether physical or drug induced, cannot completely change a person. If it is extreme enough it could have a lasting effect, but it will fade. I can think of two possible exceptions : Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome (negative), Near Death Experience (positive(potentially)). Drugs generally cannot compare to those sorts of events in the long run. And even in the case of those extreme sorts of experiences, they cannot be calculated or aimed change you in particular way.

This is not to say I am against psychedelic exploration, it can be a positive force for some people in some situations. But realize that psychedelic experimentation is by nature, a foray into the unknown. You can never completely control the outcome.

The main thing I have learned about drugs, having experimented with many of them, is that they are a largely temporary experience. They solve things for the moment but absolutely do not solve things long term.

I will smoke pot or eat a few mushrooms if I am figuring something out in order to see the problem in a new light, and I do a lot of interesting and possibly insightful writing while stoned. Does this mean I will have to smoke it more often to completely solve my issues?

Absolutely not, because essentially, it is a disconnection from the real world, and unfortunately, the majority of learning and insight about yourself does come from the real world. I have learned from experience that you have to expose yourself to things while you are sober in order to learn from them. It would be nice if we could be high all the time, but it isn't realistic at all.

I haven't tried acid but MDMA and shrooms are the only 2 drugs I've found to actually alleviate my autism symptoms (most drugs amplify them). Only people who have tried them have a valid opinion on the subject, anyone who hasn't tried them is just talking through their hole.

They teach you that there are states of being which are void of these problems though then you can seek ways to attain these states without the use of temporary means such as drugs. Psychoactive substances are like all tools of great power. Whether they do good or bad depends entirely on how they are used. Electricity when used mindfully and responsibly, can be used to do great things. If used mindlessly and recklessly, you'll probably just electrocute yourself. You can extend this analogy to just about any powerful tool known to man (i.e. fire, nuclear technology, cars etc.). I understand the true value of psychoactive substances. I know enough to respect them and never to underestimate them.


You of all people (being on the spectrum) should know better than to say something as idiotic as this. Drugs don't "disconnect you from the real world". You don't live in the real world to begin with. Thats because everything we perceive as "reality" are representations created by our brains based on the electrical signals it receives from the sensory organs and interprets. How it interprets those signals is influenced greatly by our memories, belief system and surprise, surprise, our neurochemical makeup. Our brains have been wired since the day we were born based on the experiences we've had. No two people see the world the same way. Thus, nobody experiences "the real world". Start learning a bit about neuroscience and you'll know never to spew out some ignorant BS like that again. God I don't know where to begin pointing out the flaws in your reply. You've obviously never ingested a psychedelic in your life. If you had you would know that they don't "disconnect you from reality", its actually the polar opposite. They dissolve some of the filters which limit what we perceive. Read this:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 102557.htm
heres a quote from that article:

they did this same experiment with people on LSD. They weren't fooled at all. I don't feel like putting all this effort into explaining this to you, why don't you just try one of these substances for yourself and see if you retain the view that psychoactive substances disconnect you from reality.

I self medicate smoking weed it's a beautiful thing to be high especially after you've completed a daily goal, It's only bad when you have problems and start smoking it to deal with your problem for me when I do so it only makes my problem seem much worse.

I've experienced all three first hand and they can help with functional fixedness and you can learn what its like to feel something in a specific sense, but knowing how it works vs. actually being able to change your brain chemistry in the long term to fit what you felt - kind of pie in the sky.

I think prescription oxytocin would likely best summarize what I got from ecstacy that I really hadn't felt, where my emotional bond with friends and other people seemed to amost wax religious. I'd rather see people go that route than try MDMA because it can be VERY dangerous. Hallucinogens on the other hand do give you a significant broadening of perspective, that is if you're the type of person sit back and think on them and be around people who won't bring you to drama in that state, but all it really takes is a few times, you learn quite a few things, end up frankly shocked at just how saturated our culture is in drug influence (everything from music to graphic art to styles of thought in stories, movies, etc.), but overall its a process of learning to sort the difference between what's actually true vs. your own a priori assumptions about life.