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Do you take pride in your autism/asperger's?
Yes 63%  63%  [ 39 ]
No 37%  37%  [ 23 ]
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27 Nov 2011, 10:27 pm

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Well, I sort of have pride in my AS, on another forum, in my signature, I put "Aspie and proud!" in bold, pink letters. But I've only told a few people in real life, no-one else. But it doesn't matter if I tell people, because my bigmouth sister already has! So much for surprise revelation next year! I'll still do the speech anyway, and tell people during, just it may not be a surprise anymore. The way I see it, my sister told people. People have friends and siblings who they would likely tell. It would go through a whole bunch of friends and siblings, get to my year level, and BAM! It's no longer a surprise! But I'm still sort of hoping it doesn't happen like that.


The combination of your icon and that I keep seeing you post after me makes me nervous. :D

Actually, I think your icon is pretty funny.



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27 Nov 2011, 10:38 pm

it absolutely depends on your semantics behind 'pride'. if they are what i would say are the correct ones, absolutely yes. Which is basically a sense of positivity and embracing your strengths, and also working around your limitations to the best of your ability, by knowing them. I strongly disagree with the 'call' to indifference, but perhaps i am misunderstanding what they mean by that. The definitions of pride i would disagree are any feelings of superiority over others because of our differently developed cranial tissues. all differences are to some extent a trade off. for me i feel it is important to celebrate and embrace my peculiarities, i dont understand why that would necessarily correlate with silly superiority notion, but if so, may the distinction be made.



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27 Nov 2011, 10:46 pm

Pride for the most part these days is basically saying you're tired of yourself and others like you being treated as inferior and you and your kind of people aren't afraid to be yourself.

Pride sometimes also can be arrogant and the complete opposite of defensive. Like "White Pride" and supremacists. You are on the oppressive side and wish to eradicate all whom you don't value as good enough for this supposed delusional supreme race.

I personally am not proud of my race. I do however take pride in my achievements and the leaps over the hurdles which has landed me on my face so many times. I don't give up...I do retreat but I get back on my feet.

So in essence, I am not proud of things I have no control over. I am however proud when I do things I thought I could never do.

I am not proud to be autistic. I have no control over it.



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27 Nov 2011, 10:57 pm

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I do not like being a aspie, but IDK man, the crap treatment from NTs sort of makes me take pride in it to a extent. Being called the R word, slow, etc, makes sort of have a chip on my shoulder mentality.

Not to mentioned being unfairly judged by NTs, also contributes to me feeling this way.

At work several NTs at work have called me a A hole (But never to my face, only in a snide way), and quite frankly, I just don't give a damn. I like being nice to people, but it just feels so good returning the favor to people who treated you bad and mock/make fun of you.

Eye for an Eye! :twisted:


man dont let it get you down. i try to play off my peculiarity as much as possible. sometimes people think its funny. sometimes they just think i'm a weirdo. which i am.

however eye for an eye is appropriate in some situations, in my book (the only book that matters)

please refer to a song, lyrics by brian hugh warner, better know by his stage name, marilyn manson. song is called 'lunchbox'



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28 Nov 2011, 4:01 am

Shame! I can't look people in the eye and I can't get past a job interview. I have no Friends and will probably never be in a relationship. I blame this on aspergers.
The aspies that chose pride probably have a talent or wrote a book about autism. I don't understand math,science or computers and have no talent.



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28 Nov 2011, 4:34 am

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Shame! I can't look people in the eye and I can't get past a job interview. I have no Friends and will probably never be in a relationship. I blame this on aspergers.
The aspies that chose pride probably have a talent or wrote a book about autism. I don't understand math,science or computers and have no talent.


Why is it shameful to have something you didn't choose to have nor could you control?



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28 Nov 2011, 11:00 am

I don't understand the whole "autistic pride" thing at all. In my opinion, you can only be proud of things that you have achieved. Being autistic isn't an achievement, so why would you be proud of it?
If you're proud because, say, you have achieved x, y and z in spite of your difficulties, then that's a different matter. But being proud of the autism itself just strikes me as ridiculous.



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28 Nov 2011, 12:07 pm

Guineapigged wrote:
I don't understand the whole "autistic pride" thing at all. In my opinion, you can only be proud of things that you have achieved. Being autistic isn't an achievement, so why would you be proud of it?
If you're proud because, say, you have achieved x, y and z in spite of your difficulties, then that's a different matter. But being proud of the autism itself just strikes me as ridiculous.


You're right. Being born a certain way isn't necessarily an achievement and not something to be prideful of. Just like I don't understand people who have Italian/French/Spanish/African/etc. pride. But, like you said, it's okay to feel proud due to achieving something because of that thing you were born with is different.

I'm glad that most people are seeing what I meant. Last night I was getting worried that my wording of things made people think the wrong thing. Good to have people who can help with that lol.


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28 Nov 2011, 12:28 pm

It's the sort of thing of which NT's are often proud.

It makes no sense to be proud of something that isn't in any way a result of your achievement, but many NTs are fiercely proud of their ethnicity or even country of birth. But then, NTs aren't very rational.

So I can understand the question. Being an Aspie is the sort of thing you can impagine people being proud of. Its an intrinsic part of you, it confers significant and often positive material consequences, and you can't be rid of it. Embracing it (it being a non-voluntary trait of this sort) with pride is a common response.

There's no real problem with being proud of your Autism. The only people it is likely to bother are either NTs intolerant of your difference (and you probably don't care what they think), or other Aspies whose internal logic you've offended (and, let's face it, Aspies aren't so common that you need to worry about running into them all of the time).

If it makes you happy, wave the flag. It might even have benefits for the Aspie community. Recall how gay people, before they gained broad acceptance, first showed very public pride in their homosexuality. They still have parades about that very thing, I suspect because it was such an important step in their difference being viewed as something other than a mental disorder.

I hope Autistic can come to be accepted similarly.



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28 Nov 2011, 12:35 pm

Sylivius,

You make excellent points, my friend. Once again someone else on this board was able to reword my thoughts properly. I've thought about "waving that flag" and I don't want to do it in a way that alienates people. Maybe I'll wear the autism awareness pin in April and maybe try to do some fundraising and get donations to give to the research of autism. Things like that. It's not shoving it anyone's face, but it let's people know that I support autism awareness without telling them that I'm on the spectrum :)


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28 Nov 2011, 12:44 pm

I have shame because what's the point of being a human if you can't socialise, when humans are supposed to be social creatures?


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28 Nov 2011, 12:53 pm

I don't think "pride" (nor shame) has any place in the shirt for Aspie/Autism idea, but a shirt of some kind might be good. I say this, because I don't believe there is any cause for pride, when the subject is something we can't control and didn't create. Do not be proud of being an Aspie, or White or Black, or Gay or Straight. Be proud of writing the best essay, or of having the cleanest car at the car show, etc etc. Or be proud of a family member or friend who did something difficult and successfully.

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28 Nov 2011, 1:13 pm

I'm proud that, unlike many NTs, I say what I feel, communicate honestly, and don't do passive aggression.



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28 Nov 2011, 3:32 pm

I think the final moments of not knowing are getting to me. It won't be long now. Once I know one way or the other, I'll still have to deal with everything, but the wait will be over. Waiting is hard. Whatever I'm told tomorrow, we'll see then what my attitude is.


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28 Nov 2011, 4:12 pm

we are much smarter than NTs and we are mysterious, and interesting. the person that will find the cure for cancer/aging will probably be an aspie. and i do believe we are braver sometimes. because i heard a lot of aspies are drawn to high risk jobs. and we are stronger simply because we deal with being different and we are more independent.



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28 Nov 2011, 7:15 pm

Verdandi wrote:
artrat wrote:
Shame! I can't look people in the eye and I can't get past a job interview. I have no Friends and will probably never be in a relationship. I blame this on aspergers.
The espies that chose pride probably have a talent or wrote a book about autism. I don't understand math,science or computers and have no talent.


Why is it shameful to have something you didn't choose to have nor could you control?


I am ashamed of myself and I have aspergers. If I were an NT I would possibly not be ashamed of myself because I would have better social skills