Autism in France: Psychoanalysis, Packing, Other Travesties

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21 Jan 2012, 1:28 pm

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Why does it smell like urine I wonder? Don't tell me people still throw urine and waste in the streets still!

Haha no; our hobos have no other place to pee than street corners, so.....they do. And it bloody stinks.



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27 Jan 2012, 5:31 pm

Well there is not only Paris in France.

Living in France, I can testify that in psychology, there are completely mad theories about the mind. I studied psychology for 3 years. In some fields, of course, it's more sensical, for example in cognitive psychology. But in clinical psychology, it was Lacan & Freud non sense.



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30 Jan 2012, 3:44 pm

Well Alex, I would strongly encourage you to eat snails. I have eaten snails while in Paris on a work trip, the snails are a bit rubbery but they taste nice with the garlic butter on them.

I would like to share with you all the fact that the ravings of Freud and Lacan are unscientific, Popper quite rightly point out that the attempts of the Marxists and the Freudians to explain everything after the event using their ideas are not scientific. I think that the comments of "Mystic Meg" from the national lottery show or some other newspaper astrologer are no more / no less scientific than the writings of Freud / Lacan


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30 Jan 2012, 6:53 pm

Snails are fun to look at and good to eat. Of course, with the same snail, you cannot do both.



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01 Feb 2012, 8:44 pm

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. . . I've honestly never given any thought as to what kind of treatment AS/ASD would have in France. I only know of them through books, movies, and tv, and they all seem so healthy and well adjusted that I guess I assumed they would take everything in stride and not only be ok with their kids having AS/ASD but that society in general there would be ok with it. I mean, the bohemians of the 19th century went to Paris, and bohemianism is a stones throw from some people with AS, so I just thought..... . .

And that's the kind of approach I'm hoping to find, where people just take it in stride. :jocolor: Okay, so some of us are on the Asperger's-Autism Spectrum. We still have a lot to contribute if we all can just be open to a range of human differences.



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01 Feb 2012, 10:28 pm

Here's a link which also includes the film.

http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2012/01/co ... in-france/



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02 Feb 2012, 10:23 pm

I think a lot of people still "go" on street corners.

In regards to the weighted blankets: the rule I know is 1/10th of your weight plus a pound. My blanket is 17 pounds and I love it.



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03 Feb 2012, 2:17 am

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I think a lot of people still "go" on street corners.

In regards to the weighted blankets: the rule I know is 1/10th of your weight plus a pound. My blanket is 17 pounds and I love it.

We're not talking weighted blankets, we're talking packing: a child wrapped in freezing wet sheets against his will or persuaded to accept (through harassment) , wrapped like a mummy, unable to free himself, and generally guarded by 3 adults, except in some cases as we've seen .
Balneotherapy: children ankle deep in water "playing", bathing suits are OPTIONAL (non verbal kids naked with no possibility of complaining obviously or tell their parents), and adults sitting there and NOT interacting at all (they can't, they have to analyze the kids' every move, as in: "he threw the ball towards the drain, I think he is trying to tell us something about his bottom", and I'm not exagerating.)
Weighted blankets are cool, I want one. But no, we don't have them in france.



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03 Feb 2012, 11:37 pm

without the existence of autism we would have lost many great artists and scientific luminaries throughtout the ages and without its side-effets such as compulsion and single-minded fervour a lot of great figures in history would never have existed, autism is s spectrum bases condition and every case is unique and there is no place for sweeping statements in discussions realting to asds



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07 Feb 2012, 4:49 pm

ediself wrote:
aniloverl wrote:
I think a lot of people still "go" on street corners.

In regards to the weighted blankets: the rule I know is 1/10th of your weight plus a pound. My blanket is 17 pounds and I love it.

We're not talking weighted blankets, we're talking packing: a child wrapped in freezing wet sheets against his will or persuaded to accept (through harassment) , wrapped like a mummy, unable to free himself, and generally guarded by 3 adults, except in some cases as we've seen .
Balneotherapy: children ankle deep in water "playing", bathing suits are OPTIONAL (non verbal kids naked with no possibility of complaining obviously or tell their parents), and adults sitting there and NOT interacting at all (they can't, they have to analyze the kids' every move, as in: "he threw the ball towards the drain, I think he is trying to tell us something about his bottom", and I'm not exagerating.)
Weighted blankets are cool, I want one. But no, we don't have them in france.


Ediself, I've been wondering about this for a long time but I wonder if it is time to start questioning psychology and psychiatry as a whole. They have a list of disorders in their DSM. Where are actual objective and scientific tests for any of these disorders including aspergers and autism? The psychologists just go by their own subjective perceptions and opinions when making their diagnoses. They are thinking of tightening the critieria for aspergers by the end of this year in the dsm-v. How reliable and valid is psychology and psychiatry? http://course1.winona.edu/lgray/el626/MandEtext3.html

If we all went to 10 different psychologists would we all receive the same diagnosis or would we receive different diagnoses and maybe up to 10 different diagnoses?

One of my loved ones is at least on 10 different psychiatric drugs maybe 20. If there are truly chemical imbalances then what exactly is out of balance? What exactly is the correct chemical balance all human beings must have? What chemicals must the human brain have exactly? Are there any objective and scientific tests to truly tell if there is a chemical imbalance? If the disorders in the dsm are seriously brain disorders why aren't all of the patients seeing neurologists? Don't the neurologists understand the human brain the best out of all medical doctors?



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08 Feb 2012, 4:47 pm

The brain is a complex thing. For example, imagine that you are excited by something. You may say that this excitement is not the average state of the human brain, so you could take drugs to calm you down. But this does not make sense, being excited is not bad, and if you want to be more calm, you can understand why you are excited to see if there is really a good reason etc.

Using drugs for the brain is considering that there are only a few parameters whereas the brain has an big number of parameters. In fact, it is more about structures than value of some parameter. See what I mean ?



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09 Feb 2012, 4:18 am

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ediself wrote:
aniloverl wrote:
I think a lot of people still "go" on street corners.

In regards to the weighted blankets: the rule I know is 1/10th of your weight plus a pound. My blanket is 17 pounds and I love it.

We're not talking weighted blankets, we're talking packing: a child wrapped in freezing wet sheets against his will or persuaded to accept (through harassment) , wrapped like a mummy, unable to free himself, and generally guarded by 3 adults, except in some cases as we've seen .
Balneotherapy: children ankle deep in water "playing", bathing suits are OPTIONAL (non verbal kids naked with no possibility of complaining obviously or tell their parents), and adults sitting there and NOT interacting at all (they can't, they have to analyze the kids' every move, as in: "he threw the ball towards the drain, I think he is trying to tell us something about his bottom", and I'm not exagerating.)
Weighted blankets are cool, I want one. But no, we don't have them in france.


Ediself, I've been wondering about this for a long time but I wonder if it is time to start questioning psychology and psychiatry as a whole. They have a list of disorders in their DSM. Where are actual objective and scientific tests for any of these disorders including aspergers and autism? The psychologists just go by their own subjective perceptions and opinions when making their diagnoses. They are thinking of tightening the critieria for aspergers by the end of this year in the dsm-v. How reliable and valid is psychology and psychiatry? http://course1.winona.edu/lgray/el626/MandEtext3.html

If we all went to 10 different psychologists would we all receive the same diagnosis or would we receive different diagnoses and maybe up to 10 different diagnoses?

One of my loved ones is at least on 10 different psychiatric drugs maybe 20. If there are truly chemical imbalances then what exactly is out of balance? What exactly is the correct chemical balance all human beings must have? What chemicals must the human brain have exactly? Are there any objective and scientific tests to truly tell if there is a chemical imbalance? If the disorders in the dsm are seriously brain disorders why aren't all of the patients seeing neurologists? Don't the neurologists understand the human brain the best out of all medical doctors?


One of our "deputés", Daniel Fasquelle, (not sure what the equivalent is in other countries ) is proposing a law to forbid (FORBID ) the use of psychoanalysis as "treatment " of autism . It will probably never pass since the psychologists and psychiatric lobby is very powerful , but it's another step towards awareness .
About drugs and the brain , I can't answer , I'm not even sure whether emotions precede the hormonal release or if they are a consequence of them ,in which case reasoning could be the main trigger of emotions ....So you can see i'm no neurobiologist :)



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09 Feb 2012, 5:06 pm

ediself wrote:
. . . Balneotherapy: children ankle deep in water "playing", bathing suits are OPTIONAL (non verbal kids naked with no possibility of complaining obviously or tell their parents), and adults sitting there and NOT interacting at all (they can't, they have to analyze the kids' every move, as in: "he threw the ball towards the drain, I think he is trying to tell us something about his bottom", and I'm not exagerating.) . . .

This is where traditional psychoanalysis attempts to give big, complex, meaning-laden interpretations to events. And usually these are mere guesses.

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Yes, the film should be part of the discussion. Yes, it should be free of censorship. But it may not get everything right either. For example, in the beginning it said something like that around the year 2000 someone demonstrated autism is caused by something in the brains temporal lode (?). something like that, and it surprised me how definite this claim was, for I don't think things are that definite at all.

PS In the above link, the film is now listed as private. I do hope it's available somewhere.



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09 Feb 2012, 5:17 pm

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. . . I wonder if it is time to start questioning psychology and psychiatry as a whole. They have a list of disorders in their DSM. Where are actual objective and scientific tests for any of these disorders including aspergers and autism? . . .

I think describing traits that tend to cluster together is valuable, as long as we don't try to make too much of it.

For like I've heard people sometimes say here at WP, you've met one person on the spectrum, you've met one person on the spectrum.

Now, I am open to medication for both anxiety and depression. I myself have struggled with depression, haven't yet tried antidepressants, but next time I might. (I might have tried Prozac in 1989 if the damn psychiatrist I was seeing had not been so nasty about the whole thing.)

As I have read, something like Prozac might work great for some people and not do a thing for others.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/03 ... ug-choice3

How would a person know this in advance if someone didn't tell them? Well, that's why I think it is important to help educate ourselves and others.

And sometimes it's also important to come down off an antidepressant in stages even if it doesn't seem to be working.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/03 ... ing-drugs3

And a regular doctor like an internist or family practitioner can also prescribe antidepressants. It is a person's choice who to see.



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10 Feb 2012, 11:20 pm

I would not be surprised that they are using Communist Era Romanian methods of handling people with disabilities, as their Color TV system was French developed, and a lot of the cars made their were of French design. I wonder if they get their training from Romanian orphanage workers like the one that tried to kill Strapples on WP before he was adopted, as they are brutal.


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