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I use the term Super-Social. Is there a better term? Social Genius, Social Savant.. there must be a clinical term? I dont like these, especially Super of Genius, because ity implies a positive spin. Politicians, which fit this description, certainly are not the best of humanity.

If not, isnt it interesting that such a type of person exists, but is never been scientifically articulated?

How do you guys survive!?!?!?!?!? You think politicians are generally geniuses, LET ALONE social? The average politician is social REFUSE! Accepted ONLY in absence of another, or for some sort of personal gain. I could get a lot of "friends" myself, and be invited to a lot of parties for offering favors, etc... They work it down to patterns and lies, and treat it as a JOB! Even THEN, they aren't smart enough to succeed which is why they belong to a political party, and have a "campaign manager"!

Steve

Don't think for a MINUTE it is INTELLIGENCE. NO WAY!

ok politics isnt.

But social intelligence is still intelligence, my partner seems totally disabled in terms of logic but she is a natural whizz when it comes to socialising, she can talk to ANYONE and ANYTHING which totally amazes me.

A politician IS a skilled game player. Most/Many, anyway. Much as a senior bureaucrat, or someone high in a union, they advance themselves though gaming, manipulation, interpersonal connections, networking.

I hardly think of THEM as geniuses, but they ARE good at working people. Now there are other people who are good at social interactions, and I would call them genius, such as certain cops or military personel that are skilled at reading intent. another example would be certain social workers that have huge degrees of empathy and understanding. A comedian with a great sense of timing, motivational speakers. All these are people with great social skills.

There needs to be a term for this, if there isnt already.

Hmm if INTP & INTJ personality type go hand & hand with ASD then the opposite
of those is ESFJ & ESFP.


ESFJ: The Caregiver
William McKinley
Bill Clinton
Don Knotts
Desi Arnaz
John Connally
Sally Struthers
Steve Spurrier
Sally Field
Danny Glover
Nancy Kerrigan
Elvis Stojko


ESFP: The Performer
Saint Mark (Apostle)
Dale Evans
Gracie Allen
Bob Hope
Eva Gabor
Willard Scott
Goldie Hawn
Kyle Petty
Arsenio Hall
Mary Lou Retton
Kathy Lee Gifford
Marne Stanier, "The Weather Channel"

INTJ:
Dan Akroyd
Susan B. Anthony
Arthur Ashe
Augustus Caesar
Jane Austen
William J. Bennett
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Raymond Burr
Chevy Chase
Phil Donahue
Michael Dukakis
Greg Gumbel
Hannibal
Veronica Hamel
Orel Hershiser
Peter Jennings
Charles Everett Koop
Ivan Lendl
C. S. Lewis
Joan Lunden
Edwin Moses
Martina Navratilova
Rep. Charles Rangel
Pernell Roberts
Maria Shriver
Josephine Tey
Chester A. Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow Wilson

INTP: (hmm update I screwed up and had those who were ISTP listed these are the correct ones now)

Socrates
Rene Descartes
Blaise Pascal
Sir Isaac Newton
James Madison
John Quincy Adams
John Tyler
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Gerald Ford
William Harvey
C. G. Jung
William James
Albert Einstein
Rep. Tom Foley
Henri Mancini
Bob Newhart
Sen. Jeff Bingaman
Rick Moranis
Meryl Streep
Brent Spiner
Midori Ito
Ashley and Mary Kate Olsen

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Robert Anton Wilson discusses social intellegence in "Promethius Rising" and yes there are social geniuses just as there are intellectual, kinestic (think NBA or Bolshoy), and emotional geniuses, just to name a few.

emotional... wow...

the very thought of that intrigues me.

It kind of goes to show how societies directed focus causes mindblindness in all people, not just ASDers. People with genius level aptitudes in things like emotion and empathy are, for all intents and purposes, invisible. Just as we have varying levels of connections with the NT world as a whole, they too would struggle to relate.

I am sure, while they understand people very well, and themselves as well, they suffer because the world, as a whole, is socially retarted in their eyes.

The neo-cortex is like a muscle, and benefits from exercise!

I think a true social genius wouldn't need to fit themselves to the people around them--they would set the trends and create the social language around them, and have enough social savvy to pull it off instead of looking weird.

A social genius could fit into the popular crowd with the same ease as they could interact with the nerds or the emo groups... they could appeal to everyone, simply because they are so very good at communicating.

Needing to change yourself to fit in is a sign of poor communication, not social genius.

Yes I agree with Callista, I think a social chameleon is not exactly a social genius. I think someone who can maintain their character and be themselves with everyone and communicate comfortably is a better mixer.

How about this: The social genius is not only liked by everyone, but likes everyone.
(They would clearly understand the difference between who you are and what you do.)

Guys and gals,

I have taken CLASSES on this! The average teacher is a total IDIOT! At one class, that was actually at a college for college credit, the teacher LIED(several lies covered areas I am an acknowledged expert at and researcher in), said she was in mensa(she DID have mensa magazines, etc... but I have known some DUMB mensans), and said basically:

I teach this course for colleges, corporations, etc.... and I am the only one! You know why? Because I am the only one that can!

What a BLOW HARD! She said things about religion that weren't true, etc.... I think she got EVERY one wrong! BESIDES, she thought there was a JEWISH religion! There ISN'T! There are like FOUR!

One(reform) is almost atheist and almost like DO WHATEVER YOU WANT! They feel the culture is like the ONLY reason they are there! Ask a biblical question, and they will probably FLUNK! Ask if they can read Hebrew, and they might say yes, but mean only that they had a simple bar/bat mitzvah. They probably don't even know what mitzvah means! ALMOST ALL are LIBERAL! They may not even know what kosher means!

Another(conservative) is more religious, and obvious, but some may be agnostic, etc.... They are more conservative! They may be kosher for pesach, etc... But not otherwise!

Another(orthodox) is religious, and it is likely few are agnostic. They are conservative.

Still another(ultra orthodox, and I forget the proper Jewish name) is religious and most obvious of all. HECK, I was on a shuttle recently with 4 of them. You can tell that the men are in this one tiny group from BLOCKS away! I doubt ANY are agnostic. Many actually RESPECT some conservative christians, and may actually support those causes. They are about as kosher as can be!

As for Christians, you have:

FORGET IT, just NAME!

What's in it for me?

Glory to God, we have no ability.

Pentacostal, for ME!

Pentacostal, for God!

By Works

By Jesus/holyspirit/God

By Mary

etc...

There are 2 Acknowledged Christian Bibles, and some reworks masquerading as them. Yet even with the 2 ACKNOWLEDGED ones, one didn't include books like timothys, and most using the other don't even know they exist!

Clearly, lumping all those together, and treating them the same way is DUMB! Yet SOMEHOW she BLUFFED people into thinking she was a social expert. She didn't even appear to have a social life.

That is a SOMEWHAT extreme example, but still characteristic!

I have read books on the subject! Most are just GARBAGE!

As for people like clinton? Do a REAL poll, and you find that less than 30% in the US will say they liked him. Dig deeper, and you find they are STUPID, IGNORANT, or BIASED!

Now there ARE some that seem to do really well! Branson, Emril, Steve Irwin, Rachel Ray, Even Arnold Schwartzenegger etc.... WHY????? Well, does anyone REALLY know much about them? They appear to be SOMEWHAT modest. The don't talk a lot about politics(ok, until arnold wanted to get into politics). They aren't really contraversial. But they ARE cheerful, outgoing, etc...

I never heard ANYONE say anything against ANY of them(outside of irwin being reckless/careless/stupid, and arnolds politics, or stupid ideas about arnold and his culture.

BTW This is INTERESTING, because NONE claimed to be a social expert! You have one billionare that wants to have a good business in all media, 2 cooks, a conservationist/zoo owner, and a bodybuilder/entreprenuer/teacher/actor/writer/politician!

SO, I wonder! Outside of having the same set of rules that is geared in part off the golden rule, and making others feel good, is there any other mystery to social matters? If I meet someone that follows the rules I have, and we discuss things in common interest, WE do fine. Alas, those are based on the "I should be treated as others would have me treat them" instead of the "I will treat others as I want to be treated". I HATE people that force me to dance into a wall by always closing the gap between us. Just ONCE I would like to show them how it feels. How do you think it would end up if I always HALVED the distance between us? I LIKE 3ft! THEY like 1.5(IF i'm lucky)! I could make it 9", then 4.5", then 2.25", then 1.12". BUT, as I told someone recently, the only person I want to be that close is my girlfriend!

Steve

Jesus or Buddha as the social genius? I'm not sure about that, they were prophets not too worried about the here and now.

I think the social genius knows where to invest time and cultivate relationships. They are not going to like the boor or try to convert the boor into a friend because they know that type of work doesn't pay dividends quickly. Sure, they might try to develop a relationship with someone like that, but it would be more of a "make work" type of project.

Ever noticed that people with Aspergers, ADHD, OCD, BiP, are not the chosen ones. There are people who move effortlessly through life. The world is their oyster. People with disorders are never these people. Sure they may get known and become famous for some trait and develop a following but in larger groups they are never the focal point of a social group.

I've been thinking about this and wonder if it doesn't have to do with executive functioning. That many people with disorders are living in the moment and living a sort of reactionary type of life. The social genius doesn't let life happen to them. They plan, seek, and do that they want to do. Sure, we set goals for ourselves, but you can sometimes "see" the mental "self talk" that a social genius may do. They are always silently assessing current interchange and looking forward in time how long they want to talk, how to end it, and who they want to talk to next. All is done smoothly....effortlessly, perhaps even on a subconscious level.

On the contrary, according to Buddha et.al., here and now is all there is.
But I wouldn't consider them examples of social genius. Skilled, sure, but not genius. Besides, they transcend all those lower form of intelligence.

I don't believe anyone could be perfect socially. It would probably be impossible. It would be interesting though if a person with excellent social skills and AS traits existed.

That's kinda contradictory by definition, isn't it?