What would a cure for autism be if one existed?

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Jitro
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27 Jun 2012, 6:16 pm

Surgery? Gene therapy? Pills?



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27 Jun 2012, 8:32 pm

Invasion of the Body Snatchers, maybe?

Seriously, I wouldn't even know where to start, even with futuristic technology. Certainly not pills, because it's more than biochemistry that makes someone autistic.

My best bet would be prevention by gene therapy of fetuses.



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27 Jun 2012, 8:35 pm

Prenatal testing and abortion. That's the only "cure" that would realistically be practiced.

Prenatal gene therapy, usable within the first trimester, is a theoretical possibility, but once you had a prenatal test that detected autism, funding for research would drop and the money to develop gene therapy just wouldn't be there.

As for adult autism... well, the only way to cure that would be to re-write the brain, erase everything you ever were, everything you ever knew, ever learned, ever experienced, and start from pseudo-infancy. It would be, in every sense that matters, a complex form of assisted suicide. And it would require technology that is so advanced and would change our world so drastically that it is unlikely even our grandchildren will live to see it--nor would we recognize that world if we could somehow travel there.

What we are likely to see in our lifetimes, relevant to autistics past infancy, is better treatment, better education, more research on medication and accommodation. The more we push for useful research, the more of that we'll get. We may discover medications that dull sensory input; we may find better ways to treat comorbids like anxiety, depression, and ADHD. We'll find better ways to teach autistic children and we'll find places for autistic adults in the workforce. We'll use technology to allow greater independence, easier communication, and better education. It will not be glamorous or miraculous and it won't be called a cure, but it will make our lives easier.


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27 Jun 2012, 8:44 pm

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Prenatal testing and abortion. That's the only "cure" that would realistically be practiced.

Prenatal gene therapy, usable within the first trimester, is a theoretical possibility, but once you had a prenatal test that detected autism, funding for research would drop and the money to develop gene therapy just wouldn't be there.

As for adult autism... well, the only way to cure that would be to re-write the brain, erase everything you ever were, everything you ever knew, ever learned, ever experienced, and start from pseudo-infancy. It would be, in every sense that matters, a complex form of assisted suicide. And it would require technology that is so advanced and would change our world so drastically that it is unlikely even our grandchildren will live to see it--nor would we recognize that world if we could somehow travel there.

What we are likely to see in our lifetimes, relevant to autistics past infancy, is better treatment, better education, more research on medication and accommodation. The more we push for useful research, the more of that we'll get. We may discover medications that dull sensory input; we may find better ways to treat comorbids like anxiety, depression, and ADHD. We'll find better ways to teach autistic children and we'll find places for autistic adults in the workforce. We'll use technology to allow greater independence, easier communication, and better education. It will not be glamorous or miraculous and it won't be called a cure, but it will make our lives easier.


I agree with this entirely.



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27 Jun 2012, 8:57 pm

A cure won't change you. It will cure your problems like social skills.



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27 Jun 2012, 8:58 pm

I'm eagerly watching for research on nutrition and Autism. It is interesting that some of the nutrients recently mentioned have long been among my favorite supplements.

I suspect that the long-term fix will be a combination of:
* improved understanding and awareness -- my worst problems come from others' lack of understanding. Once people get to know me, they usually like me.
* better understanding of the chemical interactions involved with Autism mechanisms, including identifying nutrition that helps us be our best. This may also include medications, but I would see them as a last resort.
* better understanding of how social skill learning occurs and how to identify shortcomings and ways to cognitively remediate.

Based on recent evidence related to Folic acid, making certain that women of child-bearing age get enough of this vitamin would be an easy way to prevent or reduce many problems. Future research may identify other nutrients that are similarly needed. Genetic research could lead to better understanding of the mechanisms involved and how to mitigate the effects.


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27 Jun 2012, 9:00 pm

Green89tom wrote:
A cure won't change you. It will cure your problems like social skills.


So abortion and gene therapy is going to "fix" us adult aspies? Tell you what, instead of looking for a cure for aspergers and autism, let's just cure NT, since that seems the more broken option to me.. I don't want to be anyone I'm not, I don't want to be "cured", I want to be happy, healthy, and accepted.

You presume far, far too much.



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27 Jun 2012, 9:01 pm

Autism is not all genetic.



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27 Jun 2012, 9:01 pm

Well...they could erase your brain, and then install a whole new operating system.

Like getting ride of widows, or of a Mac OS, and replacing it with it Debian!

But actually that wouldnt work, because autism is a hardware problem, and not a software problem.

Neurosis is a software problem. Psychotherapy, or going to the Landmark Forum, or the like, is modifying the software.

So it have to be some powerful drug of somekind that would somehow physically rewire your brain into something more neurotypical.



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27 Jun 2012, 9:25 pm

Green89tom wrote:
Autism is not all genetic.
It's likely more genetic than any other childhood disorder... Depending on your analysis, heritability can be way up there in the 90th percentile or thereabouts. Most of it is genetic, with some environmental influences. Whichever way the causal balance tips, though, we do know that if you're autistic, you've been autistic since infancy--autism is hard-wired into the brain by the time you're old enough for it to be obvious.

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A cure won't change you. It will cure your problems like social skills.
But those "problems" are so fundamental to who you are that to cure them would be to change your identity. If a human being is like a building, then autism is like an element of the building's foundation. You cannot change the shape of the foundation without causing the rest of the building to crumble.

That's not to say that there might not be therapies that would make learning social skills easier for you. Perhaps there'll be a new way of teaching that will be easier to understand; or technology that will feed us some of the information we're missing in a form we can grasp; or medication that'll make it easier to deal with social anxiety or sensory overload. Perhaps there'll be advocacy efforts that teach the general public what to expect from an autistic person and how to communicate better with them. That, I think, would be the ideal: You would be free to be yourself, in a world that accepted you, and to learn the things you needed to know to fit into that world.


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27 Jun 2012, 9:28 pm

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Well...they could erase your brain, and then install a whole new operating system.

Like getting ride of widows, or of a Mac OS, and replacing it with it Debian!

But actually that wouldnt work, because autism is a hardware problem, and not a software problem.

Neurosis is a software problem. Psychotherapy, or going to the Landmark Forum, or the like, is modifying the software.

So it have to be some powerful drug of somekind that would somehow physically rewire your brain into something more neurotypical.
May I note that when you do this to a computer, it's called "buying a new computer"...


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27 Jun 2012, 9:51 pm

Autism is not a personally trait it is a disorder. Why do you guys limited yourself when you say "places in the workforce". You guys should want more things for yourself.



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27 Jun 2012, 9:56 pm

Green89tom wrote:
Autism is not a personally trait it is a disorder. Why do you guys limited yourself when you say "places in the workforce". You guys should want more things for yourself.


You should mind your own business and look at the facts before telling anyone what they should be doing. We are not limiting ourselves, we're living our lives the way we want to. And if someone doesn't want a cure, that's their opinion. You have no right to be saying things like this.

And yes, it is a disorder, a disorder that affects one's personality in social situations. In many ways, it is a personality trait.


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27 Jun 2012, 10:08 pm

Green89tom wrote:
Autism is not a personally trait it is a disorder. Why do you guys limited yourself when you say "places in the workforce". You guys should want more things for yourself.


And what have YOU done to improve YOURSELF? We are here to IMPROVE ourselves, you seem to be here to insult us and, effectively, yourself. That's kinda depressing.. I'd much rather accept that I have problems and work to make them easier to deal with then just admit defeat and wait for some non-existent cure while insulting people who are trying to better themselves.



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27 Jun 2012, 10:14 pm

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A cure won't change you. It will cure your problems like social skills.
But those "problems" are so fundamental to who you are that to cure them would be to change your identity. If a human being is like a building, then autism is like an element of the building's foundation. You cannot change the shape of the foundation without causing the rest of the building to crumble.[/quote]

What about blindness or being in a wheelchair? Are those so fundamental to who someone is that to cure them would be to changes someone's identity?



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27 Jun 2012, 10:15 pm

I have a life, i am going to school and looking for job.