Why both geniuses & retardates seem autistic

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24 Aug 2012, 1:56 pm

In an earlier thread, I proposed a theory that autism is simply too much consciousness. Allow me to elaborate: intelligence can be divided into main parts: conscious problem solving and subconscious problem solving. Subconscious problem solving evolved first, but in order to make the leap to fully human intelligence, we had to evolve consciousness.

The most intelligent people tend to be the most conscious, up to a point, and beyond this point, too much consciousness begins to impair intelligence, first by impairing the subconscious problem solving used in social interactions and physical coordination, and eventually if consciousness becomes too extreme, even higher level processes like language and even math become impaired.

So the optimum level of consciousness in my opinion, is above that of a neurotypical but below that of an aspergoid. That's why people who seem kind of nerdy and borderline aspergy (I.e. Bill gates) are the most intelligent. They have enough elevated consciousness to be good at computers, but not so much that their social skills and other talents are severely impaired.

However if 2 nerdy people mate, and the child inherits too many consciousness genes from both parents, they will surpass the optimum level of consciousness and actually have impaired intelligence. This explains the autism epidemic in silicon valley where brilliant parents routinely produce retarded offspring, however these retarded offspring often have large heads and savant talents, the last vestiges of their big brained high IQ parents.



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24 Aug 2012, 2:11 pm

LOL.

Seriously?

Ever tried applying Occam's Razor to your theory?



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24 Aug 2012, 2:38 pm

Why both geniuses & retardates seem autistic


Daniel Tammet summed it up this way: “The line between profound talent and profound disability is really a surprisingly thin one."



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24 Aug 2012, 2:41 pm

I don't have any comments. I also don't care for the question.


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24 Aug 2012, 2:46 pm

'consciousness genes'?



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24 Aug 2012, 3:11 pm

BorgPrince wrote:
LOL.

Seriously?

Ever tried applying Occam's Razor to your theory?


My theory passes occam's razor. It's simple and elegant: too much consciousness makes you a retarded autistic, too little makes you a ditzy neurotypical. Nerds have the optimum amount, but their kids are not always so lucky.



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24 Aug 2012, 3:15 pm

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I don't have any comments. I also don't care for the question.


Then get the hell out.



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24 Aug 2012, 3:20 pm

wogaboo wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I don't have any comments. I also don't care for the question.


Then get the hell out.


Time out. Please be courteous - CockneyRebel posted a valid point, to which she's entitled. If you disagree, which is fine, then do so politely.


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24 Aug 2012, 3:46 pm

I strongly feel the use of the "R" word here is unnecessary.


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24 Aug 2012, 3:59 pm

what would explain my situation?
My dad is dyslexic with good social skills.
His dad an entrepreneur with good social skills
His mom weird, unattached, no social skills and had OCD.

My mom is rigid, very intelligent, math genius, high sense of fashion and social conventions yet she has not had any friends in 40 years.
My parents have a 40 yr. marriage.
Her dad was a quiet weird artist. (white race)
Her mom a very warm, compassionate, and friendly woman (mulatto race)

Me:
Artist, introvert, high IQ, low social skills, sensory integration deficits and very attached to people I love.



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24 Aug 2012, 3:59 pm

If I compare myself to the way I understand most other people think within the confines of your paradigm I would have to say that my problem with the world is too much awareness of things and over processing of stuff that should be dealt with unconsciously.

It doesn't matter if it is the ability to deal with coming into contact with cotton wool or the ability to interpret non verbal signals from people, these things drive me into screaming apoplexia when they really, really shouldn't.



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24 Aug 2012, 4:21 pm

caramateo wrote:
what would explain my situation?
My dad is dyslexic with good social skills.
His dad an entrepreneur with good social skills
His mom weird, unattached, no social skills and had OCD.

My mom is rigid, very intelligent, math genius, high sense of fashion and social conventions yet she has not had any friends in 40 years.
My parents have a 40 yr. marriage.
Her dad was a quiet weird artist. (white race)
Her mom a very warm, compassionate, and friendly woman (mulatto race)

Me:
Artist, introvert, high IQ, low social skills, sensory integration deficits and very attached to people I love.


It sounds like your mother has high consciousness, and she passed on those consciousness genes to you. However seeing as social skills are defective, you might have more than the optimum amount of consciousness.



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24 Aug 2012, 4:29 pm

maybe



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24 Aug 2012, 5:56 pm

If two people with a lot of benign or even benevolent X marry and have a kid, then the kid gets a genetic double dose of X. That double dose then produces the bad thing- the disablity of autism.

There is nothing new about that equation.

Whats new is the value you are giving to X.

Youre saying that it is something called "consciousness".

Youre saying that what Einstein (or whatever your genius of choice is) had in common with a severely autistic child is "consciousness".

An extra supply of consciousness.

As most folks define "consciousness" the opposite is more likely.
Both savant type geniuses and autistics are inward turnng and are less "conscious" of the surrounding world- both the physical world- and certainly of the social world than are average neurotypical joes.

So giving X the value of "consciousness" does not make any sense.

Way back in the sixties when autism was first put on the map I remember hearing an early expert on the radio saying "ive noticed that the parents of autistics tend to live in their own heads-into thoughts. Perhaps thats influenced by genes and the child gets a gentic double dose of that and becomes autistic."

So the part of what youre saying that is plausible is not original. And the part of what youre saying that is original does not make any sense to me.



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24 Aug 2012, 6:03 pm

Boy, you guys use the R-word like, Bla........never mind. LoL.

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24 Aug 2012, 6:22 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
If two people with a lot of benign or even benevolent X marry and have a kid, then the kid gets a genetic double dose of X. That double dose then produces the bad thing- the disablity of autism.

There is nothing new about that equation.

Whats new is the value you are giving to X.

Youre saying that it is something called "consciousness".

Youre saying that what Einstein (or whatever your genius of choice is) had in common with a severely autistic child is "consciousness".

An extra supply of consciousness.

As most folks define "consciousness" the opposite is more likely.
Both savant type geniuses and autistics are inward turnng and are less "conscious" of the surrounding world- both the physical world- and certainly of the social world than are average neurotypical joes.

So giving X the value of "consciousness" does not make any sense.

Way back in the sixties when autism was first put on the map I remember hearing an early expert on the radio saying "ive noticed that the parents of autistics tend to live in their own heads-into thoughts. Perhaps thats influenced by genes and the child gets a gentic double dose of that and becomes autistic."

So the part of what youre saying that is plausible is not original. And the part of what youre saying that is original does not make any sense to me.

I think the OP is using a different definition of "conscious" to you. Someone living in their own head can easily still have more conscious thought than an extreme social extrovert, for example. It doesn't matter where the thoughts are directed or what they are about, they are still conscious. Subconscious thinking is that which you are unaware is occurring, e.g. before you consciously make a decision, your subconscious has already done it for you (around a hundred milliseconds earlier or something like that). You can measure the latter with EEG, but you can't actually detect it yourself. The OP is suggesting some people have less of these subconscious processes, as I understand it.

I'd be interested to hear from the OP, as to whether you have any further thoughts on which types of processes are more conscious in autistic people? Do you think it is a general heightened level of consciousness, or is it specific to particular processes? What are your thoughts on "filters", and how they relate to this theory? Do you believe those with autism have fewer or less effective filters for external stimuli?