Alex Plank--What the @#$% is this crap?

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And could someone please show me how to do the math? Because if 1:88 kids in has autism and 1:54 of them are boys, wouldn't it stand to reason that the number of girls is bigger than 1:88? Is the answer 1:122 girls has autism? Or can you only rightfully figure it out if you have the n for boys and the n for girls?

I know that's not the point, but I can't figure it out and now I am stuck.

Well, You know this is a classical ASD symptom most of you are displaying here. Which is seeing a single tree instead of the Entire Forest. He is talking about autism in general, & the harsh backwards attitudes existant in France & some other European countries. It was not meant to be sexist.
And more males are dxd wit ASDs than are females. It might be an oversight, but generally, that has always been the case.

Sincerely,
Matthew

I'm absolutely sure that they would.



Alex's possible motives aren't relevant.



Because those organs have a major impact in how the world treats you, and, in this case, women face different challenges than men in the area of autism diagnosis.

Issues concerning women are of concern to women; therefore, we respond accordingly. I'm not particularly interested in whether or not a man thinks an issue concerning women is "important" or not.

Having severe dyscalculia no math, but:

In other studies they only show the ratio male/female with ASD, mostly 4/1 or 8/1.

from:http://www.iancommunity.org/cs/articles/girls_with_asd

Other quotation from this text:

Some number:

http://www.disabled-world.com/health/neurology/autism/soaring-rates.php

Maybe the reason the OP was so upset was because of 2 things. 1. The whole purpose of the thread and 2. the children getting thrown out of school, which probably helped to fuel the rage that is in the very first post. I don't know for sure, but this is just a theory.

Nah. The OP was enraged about the gender thing. She never even tipped her hat to kids being thrown out of school.

I have a daughter with ASD, so I totally understand the issue. I was told by a "professional" before she was diagnosed that it likely wasn't ASD because she was a girl. She presents differently. It causes issues. No doubt about it. I do believe there are problems related to this and I do wish they would be remedied.

But I am by far more incensed to know that children somewhere on this planet--boy or girl--are being thrown out of school like discarded trash. If we are going to focus on an injustice, IMHO, that is the one to focus on.

My goodness, people! Children are being denied the right to an education because they have autism. "No help" is being given to autistics. And we are arguing about the use of the word "he" over "they" or "s/he." I think perspective taking is important here, because in the global scheme of things, the denial of basic rights to someone because they are on the spectrum is much more serious, regardless of how being a girl with autism affects my daughter's life.

Oh Jesus, chill out.

Way to derail the thread. It's not like complaining about it is somehow supporting kicking kids out of school, really.

He is often used as a gender neutral pronoun. I'm surprised there are people ignorant of a grammatical convention that's been around since the 18th century (or earlier).

The reason I only included the statistic for boys is due to the fact that I believe cases of autism in girls are seriously underrepresented (only 1 in 252 are diagnosed) due to a lot of different factors, so the girls number is misleading, and so is the overall number. I think there are just as many girls with autism, they're just diagnosed less.

I agree with the first part. In the second part the math is completely wrong. You interpreted "1 in 54" as "54 of the 88" and miscalculated the math from there.

The thread would have been taken seriously by a lot more people if the reaction wasn't so over the top. The issue was valid, but the OP makes people think it's just a feminazi whining over nothing.

I guess I never knew that before. I'm surprised I never learned about it.

Because nothing from the 18th century is sexist.

This convention is not acceptable today and if you choose not to change it you are choosing to alienate a good number of female readers.



Again, it might not be your intent, but this further marginalizes females with AS.

I'm really disappointed by this response. Accusing us of ignorance, really?

NONONONONONO! Bad Dirtdigger! No math for you! If 1/88 people had had autism and the rates are the same than 1/88 boys have autism and 1/88 girls.

Now it's time to do some REAL math. Frequency is essentially the same as probability. The rest is between 0 and 1, 0 means no one and 1 means everyone. 1 in 5 is 1/5, if the top number is larger compared to another ration with the same bottom it's more frequent, if the bottom is larger it's less fequent. To calculate the frequency in a particular group you need to divide those in the group with the condition by the total amount of people in the group. Frequency of people with autism (FP[A]) is People with autism (P[A]) divided by everyone (P), so FP[A] = P[A]/P. Likewise, for boys FB[A] = B[A]/B, and for girls FG[A] = G[A]/G. For the Sake of the problem everyone is either a boy or a girl, so P = B + G and P[A] = B[A] + G[A]. Using basic algebra by multiplying FP[A] by P you get P[A].

For our first problem, let's assume FP[A] = 1/88 and FB[A] = FG[A]. Let's call that number x. Using math we can get that P[A] = B[A] + G[A] = xB + xG = x(B + G) = xP, x = xP/P = P[A]/P = FP[A] = 1/88. Thus 1 in 88 boys would have autism, and 1 in 88 girls would have autism.

Now let's solve for FG[A] assuming FB[A] = 1/55 (the math is easier with 1/55 than 1/54) and FP[A] = 1/88. Now, to calculate the frequency of being both a girl and having autism (FP[G&A]) we use G[A]/P. G[A] is the same as G&A which is the same A&G which is the same as A[G]. To get G[A]/P we just need (P[A]/P) - (B[A]/P], which is FP[A] - FP[B&A]. FP[B&A] = FB[A] * (B/P), and FG[A] = FP[G&A]/(G/P) = (FP[A] - FP[B&A])/(G/P) = [(P/88) - P(FB[A]*[B/P])]/G = ([P/88] - [B/55])/G = (P/88G) - (B/55G). If we assume B = G then P = 2G so FG[A] = (2/88) - (1/55) = (1/44) - (1/55) = (1/[4 * 11]) - (1/[5 * 11]) = (5/[ 4 * 5 * 11]) - (4/[ 4 * 5 * 11]) = (5 - 4)/220 = 1/220. Thus approximately 1 in 220 girls has autism. I believe that actual number is far higher, but whatever.

It is acceptable, you are just being ridiculous. Be thankful that English lacks true grammatical gender. This is why feminists aren't being taken seriously.