Aspies DO have the desire to having social contacts. Right?

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04 Oct 2012, 9:15 am

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Most people with asperger syndrome do want friends and social contact, we just don't know how.


How do you know that "most" do? Any studies done?

All I know is that Gillberg's Criteria for AS has (I also know of another less known criteria for AS that actually requires it; these are just as official as the DSM and ICD-10):

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1.Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
(a) inability to interact with peers
(b) lack of desire to interact with peers
(c) lack of appreciation of social cues
(d) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior


So, there's a big possibility there.

I also know of some people with AS who have no desire to form relations: they don't mind it if they're there, but they don't actually have any desire to go out and do it.

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that probably has more to do with our lack of underrstanding the underlying causes than a blanket statement saying that people with as lack a desire to interact,
no one can say if that lack of desire comes from the actions of people they have met or their own minds nor can we find out to what degree such a desire is there in the first place.

one of the reasons that i barely see psychiatry and psychology as proper sciences, not that they cant help people but the basis of their theories is often nonexistant.


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04 Oct 2012, 9:34 am

I don't have an inability to interact with peers, but I do generally have a lack of desire (but not 100% of the time, because well...now I'm 40 and I've learned to appreciate the value of peer relationships), and a lack of appreciation of social cues (but again not 100% of the time...largely because I've studied them and see the value in picking up on them), and in stressful environments I struggle with socially inappropriate behavior. However, as my therapist has pointed out a higher IQ is helpful in the self control department. I know what's appropriate and what's not (mostly, lol) because I've read, learned, been taught, and paid attention. I still make mistakes though. I realize when my brain starts throwing socially inappropriate options at me that it's looking for an escape route from too much stress and it's time to excuse myself and take a break in a more socially acceptable way before I have a meltdown or do something equally emotionally inappropriate...which will happen if I don't do something socially appropriate in a timely manner to prevent it (isolate myself from the social stress). Because being social really stresses me out. It's not something I seek out very often and I stay home most of the time.

I didn't develop this ability to be social overnight. Mom said she had to really push me to even play with my sister (and her with me) due to our utter lack of interest in interaction when we were pre-school age. I had a few friends in school, but never in my own class until HS, and usually I maintain a lot of emotional distance with my friends even now (but again, I let people in once in awhile). Occassionally I've been known to systemize a group of friends for a task (sometimes fun, sometimes work) just like I systemize other things, and that can work when planned right. But in order to do that well you have to get to know a lot of people, and develop relationships with them.
Most of the time I'm focused on my interests, but I also share interests with friends, and when I've been isolated for a long time (weeks or months) sometimes I miss them. Lately I've been focused on something else and not on my usual interests, and I'm missing my friends because they are often interested in my unique perspective and right now I think I'd be interested in their general-experience perspective (which I suck at).


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kotshka wrote:
Most people with asperger syndrome do want friends and social contact, we just don't know how.


How do you know that "most" do? Any studies done?

All I know is that Gillberg's Criteria for AS has (I also know of another less known criteria for AS that actually requires it; these are just as official as the DSM and ICD-10):

Quote:
1.Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
(a) inability to interact with peers
(b) lack of desire to interact with peers
(c) lack of appreciation of social cues
(d) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior


So, there's a big possibility there.

I also know of some people with AS who have no desire to form relations: they don't mind it if they're there, but they don't actually have any desire to go out and do it.



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04 Oct 2012, 12:45 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Some do, some don't.

The some don't part appears to be bigger than the average population though (it is a criterion in one diagnostic tool after all).


I would say it like this. Some want/need more social contacts
some just need less contacts than average.

But still everybody needs some kind of contact to other humans or to something living??

And usually aspies feel lonely, which means they want more friends...



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04 Oct 2012, 12:58 pm

I have autism, and I don't have the social desire.



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04 Oct 2012, 1:07 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I have autism, and I don't have the social desire.


I didn't have when I was young either...

Wondering about that, where this comes from.

Some even know from very young age that something is "wrong" with them

Well I never felt "wrong" back then, I just didn't care.

Except when my parents were demanding something that I could not do
I got angry then
and sad because I didn't understand why they didn't understand, that this is impossible
(Maybe it wasn't I am just stubborn :lol:)



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04 Oct 2012, 1:12 pm

Something that I have heard out of the mouths of various people is that the distinction between someone with high-functioning autism and someone with Asperger syndrome, beside the difference in language development, is the following:

HF-autistics do not seek out social interaction, lacking the desire to do so.
Aspergers do wish to seek out social interaction, but go about it in a clumsy manner.

I realise that these are generalisations, and I don't know how much of it is true or can be tested. But I, having been diagnosed with autistic disorder and not Asperger syndrome, do not feel the urge to socialise quite so much.

However, my very presence here on Wrong Planet, indicates that I do have some desire for social interaction, even if it's online instead of offline in this case. I mean, I'm talking to all you guys because I think you're good company. :D


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04 Oct 2012, 1:25 pm

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Something that I have heard out of the mouths of various people is that the distinction between someone with high-functioning autism and someone with Asperger syndrome, beside the difference in language development, is the following:

HF-autistics do not seek out social interaction, lacking the desire to do so.
Aspergers do wish to seek out social interaction, but go about it in a clumsy manner.


Well then I am HF-aspie :lol:



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04 Oct 2012, 3:40 pm

It really depends on the person.

Wanting something doesn't mean that it can be obtained, nor does it automatically mean "normal" as some would think. It's just a matter of personal preference.

Like me, I like having friends, but I practically never do, largely because other people judge me (because of the AS). But I don't go anywhere, I never "hang out", I just stay at home, usually on my computer or playing a game or watching tv. Always alone.

I like talking to people, but only if they can carry a conversation without being overly absurd about something, and only if I'm in the mood to talk.
So for me, the want is there, the opportunity and capability however, are not.


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04 Oct 2012, 4:48 pm

as a child, i didnt want friends at all and didnt play with the other kids.
every once in a great while, i'd play with another kid but it never lasted. same as a teen.
for some reason, in my early twenties, i thought i wanted to be around people, but when i was, i got tired of it very quickly... i've learned that being around people is must making me miserable. and now i just want to be alone. i have no friends, no kids, no husband, nothing, because i cant deal with it. i have my nieces, but before that, i was alone for over a decade... and it barely bothered me. i cant have it any other way.



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04 Oct 2012, 4:59 pm

Thank you so much for your numerous relies.
but i'm just wondering.. it's probably kind of stupid to ask this here because the people not interested in social contact wont visit this forum anyways so the answer i get here sould be very biased. (forum -> kind of last resort social contact IMO)
i see that the smaller half are saying that aspies dont need contacts but what if we get the aspies NOT on wrongplanet to also participate ??


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04 Oct 2012, 6:10 pm

CyclopsSummers wrote:
Something that I have heard out of the mouths of various people is that the distinction between someone with high-functioning autism and someone with Asperger syndrome, beside the difference in language development, is the following:

HF-autistics do not seek out social interaction, lacking the desire to do so.
Aspergers do wish to seek out social interaction, but go about it in a clumsy manner.

I realise that these are generalisations, and I don't know how much of it is true or can be tested. But I, having been diagnosed with autistic disorder and not Asperger syndrome, do not feel the urge to socialise quite so much.

However, my very presence here on Wrong Planet, indicates that I do have some desire for social interaction, even if it's online instead of offline in this case. I mean, I'm talking to all you guys because I think you're good company. :D


I think, technically, the only difference between Asperger Syndrome and classical autism is the language differences. Whether or not you desire contact is irrelevant, and I'm not sure why otherwise reputable sources keep stating otherwise.


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04 Oct 2012, 6:47 pm

I desire social contact but I don't get very much of it at all - pretty much none at the moment. I'm not good at making or keeping friends and I'm not good at social situations unless there is some specific purpose or structure. It bothers me a lot actually, I'm really a very lonely person :/



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04 Oct 2012, 7:29 pm

I certainly do. Primarily to fit in.


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04 Oct 2012, 7:56 pm

omid wrote:
Thank you so much for your numerous relies.
but i'm just wondering.. it's probably kind of stupid to ask this here because the people not interested in social contact wont visit this forum anyways so the answer i get here sould be very biased. (forum -> kind of last resort social contact IMO)
i see that the smaller half are saying that aspies dont need contacts but what if we get the aspies NOT on wrongplanet to also participate ??


Forum participation isn't "social contact."

It's writing.

I'm here because I like writing, but I need an actual reason to do so, which this forum provides.

To answer your question I can enjoy social contact, but I rarely initiate it. If everyone else on Earth disappeared, I'd be fine with it.


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04 Oct 2012, 8:07 pm

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Forum participation isn't "social contact."

It's writing.

I'm here because I like writing, but I need an actual reason to do so, which this forum provides.

To answer your question I can enjoy social contact, but I rarely initiate it. If everyone else on Earth disappeared, I'd be fine with it.


I respectfully disagree with you. I am interacting with others when I write here, which is why I feel better writing here than, for example, when I write in a journal.


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04 Oct 2012, 8:10 pm

emimeni wrote:
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Forum participation isn't "social contact."

It's writing.

I'm here because I like writing, but I need an actual reason to do so, which this forum provides.

To answer your question I can enjoy social contact, but I rarely initiate it. If everyone else on Earth disappeared, I'd be fine with it.


I respectfully disagree with you. I am interacting with others when I write here, which is why I feel better writing here than, for example, when I write in a journal.


I didn't say it wasn't "interaction."

In any case, I'm not here because I desire to be "social," I'm here because I enjoy writing.


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