Is AS worse than cancer?
06 Oct 2012, 5:18 am
Just because the cancer is removed doesn't mean it won't come back.
Cancer is completely different to a neurological disorder. Autism can't kill you. Cancer may kill you.
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06 Oct 2012, 5:23 am
Just because the cancer is removed doesn't mean it won't come back.
Cancer is completely different to a neurological disorder. Autism can't kill you. Cancer may kill you.
Exactly. Some people with cancer are left with permanent side effects.
You can't compare two completely disabilities. Cancer is also a general term.
06 Oct 2012, 6:16 am
In fact, most people who get cancer will recover. Depending on the type, treatment might not even involve having to take any sick days. Even people who have aggressive, hard-to-treat, and even inevitably fatal cases have still found satisfaction and even joy in life.
People are scared of cancer, sure. And it'd be great if nobody ever got it. But in my family, practically every woman will get breast cancer--inevitably, by the time they're sixty--and we usually survive it, especially with modern treatment. It sucks, and sometimes it kills you, but it's part of life. It's not some alien phenomenon that you should run screaming from. It's just a bad thing that happens to people.
Cancer is bad, but it's not infinitely bad. People survive it. Even people who die from cancer can die with no regrets and a fulfilled life. We're all going to die, after all; if it's cancer that gets you, you'll be in good company. That's what'll get a lot of us, especially now that we've defeated so many infectious diseases and people are routinely living into old age when those glitches in cell division start to build up.
Autism worse than cancer? No. But let's not be overly fearful of cancer, either. I think if I had cancer, I'd want people to think of me as the same person as always--not some poor pitiful thing who came down with the worst disease in the universe. I'd want to be able to b***h about side effects or symptoms without people getting those long faces like they're in mourning. Cancer's a part of human existence. If you think about it, dying itself is a part of human existence. I'd really prefer for us to just matter-of-factly support each other when we needed it, without all the pity and fear attached to it.
I'm very fearful of cancer as I've seen how painful it can be. It is not a good idea to try and tell anyone how they 'should' react to something as potentially awful as cancer - everyone has had different experiences and watching your parent die of cancer and the feeling of utter helplessness as there's nothing you can do to make things better is something that will be etched on my mind forever.
I hope for a heart attack myself as I'd rather kill myself than go through that level of suffering.
Take it from me, terminal cancer can be every bit as horrible as people make it out to be - it's certainly not people being over-dramatic or 'wallowing in it' - it's a fact!
I can't stand these parents of autistic children who make out it's some major tragedy that their child isn't 'normal' - they don't deserve to have children if they can't appreciate them.
06 Oct 2012, 6:36 am
The person who said it
I believe it was David Bardy from ASC and these are his exact words : "Autism is worse than cancer in many ways, because the person with autism has a normal lifespan."
Don't believe a word of what this Asswipe says. I have led a very fulfilling life despite me having Aspergers and got to do so many wonderful things. It is the attitude like this Asswipe, that has toward Aspergers. Though I'm different, I wouldn't live my life any other way. This Asswipe would give his left arm to have done some of the wonderful things I have done, be gifted and have skills like I do. So try to be positive and see the many good things about Aspergers.
As for cancer. For the most part, though there are a few people that has been cured, people have it for the rest of their lives which shortens how long they live. I've had several friends and co-workers die of cancer before their times. So this Asswipe just doesn't know what he is talking about.
06 Oct 2012, 6:59 am
Just a note about cancer: Once it is out of the box, thereafter it is only treatable. It is not curable at this stage. Drugs or radiation only kill some( most) but not all. That's the problem with just one cancer cell survival. It will replicate again and eventually it doubles and doubles and doubles again until you have another tumor. The tumor has the ability to self sustain by angiogenesis ( develops its own vascular feed) Any site you go to on the subject stresses early prevention. That is removal of the tumor before it is metastatic or escapes into the bloodstream to nest or get caught/hung in another organ only to produce its Frankenstein growth.
At that stage you are at the mercy of its doubling rate; its particular resistance to the aforementioned treatments; where it's at in location.
Usually in the final stages you succumb by a wasting away. Your chemistry ( hormones) are significantly thrown off by this invasion. This is similar to the late stage you see in Aids patients. You don't eat and are completely bed ridden and on pain medication.
*Early prevention by screening.*
Stay on it!
Bad analogy btw. In fact it's insulting.
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06 Oct 2012, 7:28 am
At that stage you are at the mercy of its doubling rate; its particular resistance to the aforementioned treatments; where its at in location.
Usually in the final stages you succumb by a wasting away. Your chemistry ( hormones) are significantly thrown off by this invasion. This is similar to the late stage you see in Aids patients. You don't eat and are completely bed ridden and on pain medication.
*Early prevention by screening.*
Stay on it!
Bad analogy btw. In fact it's insulting.
You are right. I guess it was a bad choice of words to use the word "cure". I probably should have used the word "remission" instead.
06 Oct 2012, 7:43 am
Nah I think it's more like a bad case of laryngitis. 
I got it once and couldn't speak for 3 days and people kept thinking I was mad at them. It's awful when you can't communicate with others easily. A lot of people take this "would not talk to me" thing very seriously.
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06 Oct 2012, 8:15 am
I don't think the argument here is whether AS or Cancer is worse, or who suffers more. AS freakin sucks, and the person who has it and their family suffers. Cancer freakin sucks and the person who has it and their family sufferers.
^ The original post was badly written, imo, but I think this is the key. With cancer people rally around you, support you, offer anything they can to make ur life easier. With AS, you are ostracized, in many cases the entire family is unwelcome in many places. You are constantly invalidated and made out to be a bad person.
AS is NOT worse that a slow painful death from cancer. But I have never heard of someone w/ cancer suffering alone. I have only heard rare stories of communities coming together to help someone w/ AS. We suffer alone. And in some ways, that IS worse.
06 Oct 2012, 8:26 am
^ The original post was badly written, imo, but I think this is the key. With cancer people rally around you, support you, offer anything they can to make ur life easier. With AS, you are ostracized, in many cases the entire family is unwelcome in many places. You are constantly invalidated and made out to be a bad person.
AS is NOT worse that a slow painful death from cancer. But I have never heard of someone w/ cancer suffering alone. I have only heard rare stories of communities coming together to help someone w/ AS. We suffer alone. And in some ways, that IS worse.
I'm not suffering and I don't want people treating me like some charity case as I'm not; I'm an intelligent human being and quite capable of helping myself with the support of a few others
I certainly don't want or need the community 'coming together' to help me - I can't think of anything more NT and ghastly!
I have a partner and friends and relatives to talk to if I need support and I have a job to keep me occupied
Wallow in self pity if you want but don't tar us all with the same brush please as many of us are living fulfilling lives as we have made the effort required to do so
06 Oct 2012, 8:32 am
I'm alone and I love it. I'd rather be by myself instead of dealing with NTs. You seem to be an example of what I mentioned earlier. AS sucks for you because you have allowed it to rather than seeing the many good things about it, like I have. I socialize with others very little and I just as leave have it that way since I'm not good at communications and the thought of having a human relationship makes my skin crawl.
I just wish more people with Aspergers would look on the bright side instead of how many evil things they can find wrong with it. But, if an Aspie is a creature of social settings and have human relationships than AS may be a bad thing and they are screaming to be normal.
06 Oct 2012, 8:45 am
i dont even mind having asperger syndrome and believe aspies can have a good and happy life.
but i'd hate to have cancer, and just the thought of it chills my blood. you can easily die, and even if you dont, you suffer so badly. chemo is extremely painful and even your eyebrows fall off. i've seen on tv people who went through that horrible torture they call chemo. they looked half dead and didnt have the strength to move.
high functioning autistic people can go to college and achieve a lot in their lives. some get married and become parents. it's not so bad, really. i cant deal with other people and cant have a relationship or even a friend, yet i'm not unhappy. i have my nieces and had my cats and i love walking and watching feral cats. there are other things in life besides having friends and relationships.
06 Oct 2012, 11:59 am
I knew a mental patient aquaintence who said he would "rather have cancer" than his schzophrenia. Which, knowing what he was going through ( seeing and hearing things not there), seemed understandable. But pychosis is not autism.
If the guy in the OP was talking about Aspergers, or about high functioning autism, he was talking nonsense.
I cant speak for people with full blown low functioning autism, but I doubt that even they consider themselves as bad off as my aforementioned friend with schzophrenia.
06 Oct 2012, 12:21 pm
Cancer may be temporary; but some side effects are permanent. A relative was diagnosed with cancer 2.5 years ago, given the all clear a year ago and has permanent issues. He will never be able to eat certain foods ever again. He had about a year of living mostly on nutrition shakes. He then had to slowly introduce foods into his diet.
There is also the risk of cancer returning. A friend had cancer when she was in her 20s. She then had the cancer return when she was 33. She said that the NHS completely messed up her treatment the second time - they took a load of healthy tissue. Her daughter is at risk of the same cancer. I have heard that having children increases the risk of the cancer returning.
People with cancer will more than likely always need check ups to see if the cancer will return.
For some people, the cancer will kill them. Thankfully, I do not know anyone this has happened to.
I have no idea what the point of this thread is. Cancer and ASD are different for every single person. I also do not like this "my disability is worse than yours". How would you know? You're not the one who lives with the disability with the same side effects day in day out. You are comparing two completely different disabilities.
ASD might last a lifetime; but at least there isn't a risk it'll kill you.
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06 Oct 2012, 12:49 pm
AS is as bad as cancer, but for different reasons. Cancer's bad reasons are obviously life-threatening and being ill and even destroying part of the body and so on, which is terrible.
The bad reasons of AS depend on how it affects the individual. My AS is as bad as cancer (in it's own way) because I can't socialise well yet I want to socialise well at the same time. Knowing what you want to do but being unable to do it makes life extremely depressing.
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06 Oct 2012, 1:07 pm
Unless you've had cancer, I don't understand how you can say that.
06 Oct 2012, 1:17 pm
I wish cancer on whoever made that assholed statement. That is incredibly offensive to both cancer victims and people with autism.
Though he does have a point. See, cancer victims, they just spend a ton of money on treatment and then they die, afterwards there is a funeral and then they can be forgotten. Now, the problem with people with autism is that they just don't die. They live, and they suck out the resources that could be going to "healthy" people. Then some of them start complaining. They start demanding their rights like everyone else. They just won't go away when you beat then to the ground, always there with their creepy stims. Autism is certainly worse than cancer...if your an as*hole!
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