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23 Dec 2012, 7:16 pm

There is any evidence that he really had Asperger, or he "had" Asperger like Bill Gates, Thomas Jefferson, Einstein, etc "have"/"had" Asperger ("that guy is intelligent but weird at social level; he sould have Asperger!")?

[At the first look, I imagine that something in schizophrenia spectrum is much more expectable from a mass shooter - IMO, you should have distorted thought processes to decide to kill innocent people]



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23 Dec 2012, 10:07 pm

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the difference between knives and guns is that guns primary purpose is to kill wheras knives have lots of other uses.

To kill someone with a knife is a whole lot more personal than to kill someone with a gun. Its much easier to pull a trigger from afar than to get in close enough to do the same amount of harm with a knife or sword. Also most of them kill themselves at the end, it takes a lot longer to kill yourself with a knife by slashing wrists or whatever than to shoot yourself in the head, so there would be more chance of them surviving long enough to be captured which would be enough to dissuade most pople from even trying.

Just because there are other ways in which someone could kill people doesnt mean you should be so apathetic as to not even try to take some form of action to stop things like this happening. Britain banned handguns in 1996 after the Dunblane massacre, and low and behold nothing has happened like that since.

This.

Australia banned guns in 1996 after the Port Arthur massacre. No massacres since.

However, the government just blessed gun groups to shoot animals in our national parks.


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24 Dec 2012, 1:59 am

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Switzerland is a country with high gun ownership and low crime.

If we don't look beyond the issue of gun control, nothing will change.

There is A LOT we can do to make ourselves safer.

Banning guns is not one of those.


I didn't realise this. That's interesting. I wonder what exactly makes it so different; I know they're very different places, but I mean key fundamental differences exactly in people's mentality. It should be obvious I suppose

Gun ownership in Switzerland is linked with mandatory military service and responsibility, not with a perverse desire to go shoot things up. There's a completely different attitude to gun "ownership" (although it's not yours usually, it's the state's). You hold a lot of responsibility.



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24 Dec 2012, 5:33 am

jacked wrote:
I am in no way claiming Asperger's or autism is responsible.


But aren't you?
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The fact of the matter is Asperger's may be indirectly responsible!


That statement suggests the very thing you deny suggesting. You have advocated that AS might be a cause, whether indirectly or not, of the problem. Honestly you can believe whatever you want, but I'm telling you right now, if people start commonly believing that crap, our freedom goes out the window and the institutions you speak of will become our prisons.
If the public hates us enough, they'll push to have us removed from society, one way or the other, they don't give a crap about our freedoms, nor what's injust, they'll let their fear and ignorance dominate them like always and we'll at the very least be hated and spit on, and at the very most we'll be forced by new law to be medicated and withheld. And while in these "medical facilities" we'll be hated and mistreated because of the newest stigma that goes with our condition. It's happened countless times before and history will always repeat itself because people don't learn from past mistakes.


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24 Dec 2012, 8:36 am

TPE2 wrote:
There is any evidence that he really had Asperger, or he "had" Asperger like Bill Gates, Thomas Jefferson, Einstein, etc "have"/"had" Asperger ("that guy is intelligent but weird at social level; he sould have Asperger!")?

[At the first look, I imagine that something in schizophrenia spectrum is much more expectable from a mass shooter - IMO, you should have distorted thought processes to decide to kill innocent people]


He was diagnosed with Aspergers by default because he scored as a genius on his Neuro Psych evaluation.
Me and my brother were too, but my entire family has it.
Schizophrenia can develop at that age my mothers developed at 22 years old following the birth of my brother but she reported voices that did not want to go away after an acid trip when she was 17. "Lsd was the onset not the cause" I was treated with Lsd in the 80's and never developed schizophrenia.
My mother did very bad things, she sold all three of us. She lacked the ability to reason and acted selfishly.
The lsd they treated us with was to repress our memories after an autism evaluation revealed the abuse.

In conclusion to a NSF study in regards to the hearing abilities of people with aspergers, conducted on my family.
I was told that Aspergers is the original disorder, Schizophrenia is the polar opposite of aspergers and what happens when the pregnant mother gets an opportunistic virus or suffers a traumatic experience.

Ie my father and his 4 brothers have Aspergers, My brother, sister and I have aspergers, my daughter and son have Aspergers. My Mothers father had Aspergers my mother developed schizophrenia after my brother was born. and my fathers uncle also developed schizophrenia. My fathers side superior PIQ/ mothers side Superior VIQ

I was also told that Autism had the ability to not genetically effect everyone it would appear and disappear in the genetic line. It is different and possibly stemmed from aspergers.

Not enough research has been conducted to establish an Autism spectrum as the DSM gallantly describes.
If the team of Neuro scientists funded by the national science foundation could not get their research into the dsm how can we believe the panel of psychologists that do. Big difference in degree there.

This is an honest statement I mean no harm, That is what i was told.
they examined everyone in my family and many more families at a massive expense to document where aspergers and genius comes from and what the hearing abilities have to do with it.

I was told that the dept of defense was going to use the hearing abilities locate genius children in other countries.
My family can hear ultrasound and some microwaves radiation. It is very common.