How Well do you Breathe Through your Nose?

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04 Jul 2013, 12:06 pm

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I've decided it is a troll.

Some person snickering into their sleeve at how thick we all are and how gullible that we can be that easily wound up to believe something so utterly ridiculous.

Well OP, FYI we aren't. We are just honest people who don't play those stupid games. Sad for people that do though, if such puerile things make such great entertainment for them.

And another FYI, is that many things in the world might seem strange but are true nevertheless, and thankfully many of us on WP have such creative and unique ways of thinking that we are able to entertain ideas that may seem odd to those that can only think (dully) inside the box. That's why there was an expression created "Strange, but true." and the other one "Truth is often stranger than fiction." So if your sleeve is full of dribble from all your snickering and guffawing, perhaps you might like to chew on that now.

I can't even be bothered to report this to a mod. P'raps someone else can...

Well said, whirlingmind! :thumleft:

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04 Jul 2013, 1:36 pm

Ok guys I don't have all day to spend on this site, thats why I haven't replied yet. But the reason was that I read in a book called "Shyness and Love" by Brian Gilmartin that half the people he studied had difficulty breathing through their nose. This was a book on people that had difficulty approaching potential romantic partners. This was written in the 1980s, before the term Asperger's was invented. A lot of the subjects had autistic-like symptoms.

Love-shyness is more than involuntary datelessness. The unemployment rate is 5x the national average, and a third of love-shies have seriously considered suicide. “In fact, they (the Love-Shies) are about as severely cut off from these normal social gratifications (daily social interaction) as they would be if they were serving a life sentence in a federal or state prison.", Gilmartin says.

I was just curious to see how many people had difficulty breathing through their nose on this site. I had difficulty myself, but wasn't aware of it since I breathed through my mouth. It's important to breathe through the nose since breathing through the nose is associated with freedom. If anyone here has difficulty breathing through the nose, they should see a doctor, since it's a health issue.

It seems that about 40-50% of people have it on this forum, which parallels his book.

I support neurodiversity, but I also support autism research. I believe that there are some people with autism that need treatment. From reading the book, I learned that I have this problem, and got treatment for it. I can think and socialize better now.

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04 Jul 2013, 1:43 pm

whirlingmind wrote:

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I'll explain when I get enough votes

OP: you are very quiet, and as you are a new member, I can't help but have a little suspicion that this is a troll trying to have a laugh at our expense.

Perhaps you could put my mind at rest and explain what this is all about?

haha whirlingmind!! This is funny that you should criticize me for being "very quiet" as autistics tend to be quiet. This is exactly why I believe some Autistics do need treatment.

I also tend to lose track of time, another feature of Autism.

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04 Jul 2013, 1:52 pm

Care to share yet?

You might not be the only one thinking about this stuff, and I see your post on a thread about facial shape and airway trouble.

I don't have any neat answers yet, so I await yours eagerly.

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04 Jul 2013, 2:28 pm

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My response was long, but in short, I wanted to see which body characteristics correlated with autism based on that book I read. Mental being is generally associated with the mind, and the body is often discounted.

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04 Jul 2013, 2:39 pm

People have been trying to correlate Autism with physical characteristics for decades.

They have all been wrong.

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04 Jul 2013, 2:56 pm

Fnord wrote:

People have been trying to correlate Autism with physical characteristics for decades.

They have all been wrong.

Evidence for your assertion?

Look at this also:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5481971.html

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04 Jul 2013, 4:28 pm

atdevel wrote:

Fnord wrote:

People have been trying to correlate Autism with physical characteristics for decades. They have all been wrong.

Evidence for your assertion? Look at this also: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5481971.html

Singular studies, not vetted by peer review.

Last year, it was the relative length of one's fingers. The year before that, it was body mass index. Every year, it seems that Autism is linked by someone to gender identity issues. Next year will be another speculative fad.

Let us know when any of these "studies" are confirmed by independent peer-group review.

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04 Jul 2013, 5:01 pm

Hey I'm bald, I wonder if its my superior intelligence making all my hair fall out? maybe we can start diagnosing Autism by the amount of hair we have

Well if we can measure Autism by the size of our noses then why not!

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04 Jul 2013, 5:06 pm

Curious:

What did they do to treat it? I noticed a bunch of things that were just mildly "off" (including facial muscles not coordinating) and have an easier time reading, speaking and being emotive now that some are better.

I've had to do most of the work myself by reading about anatomy, so any suggestions would be most-welcome. (The diagnosis actually got in the way of getting anything of those things worked up as anything but Asperger's.)

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04 Jul 2013, 6:42 pm

Fnord wrote:

atdevel wrote:

Fnord wrote:

People have been trying to correlate Autism with physical characteristics for decades. They have all been wrong.

Evidence for your assertion? Look at this also: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5481971.html

http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/in-br ... ences--b--

Was published August 28, 2012 in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders under peer review.

The face study was published in Molecular Autism under peer review. I emailed Manuel Casanova, a neuroscientist that studies Autism about this article. I also attached a picture of my face and he said that my face looks very similar.

These studies have to be replicated, though they are a couple years old.

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04 Jul 2013, 7:22 pm

The article you linked to still cites only one study - "Stewart B.A. and A.J. Klar J. Autism Dev. Disord. Epub ahead of print (2012)".

Just because a paper has been published in a peer-review journal does not mean that any peers have actually reviewed it; even less that the original study has been vetted.

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04 Jul 2013, 7:28 pm

There have been numerous studies suggesting some sort of physical link between ASDs and (insert physical characteristic), several of which look more like sampling bias.

Some of the ideas out there are far better documented than what the OP offers. I'm stating that as a statement, not an endorsement.

Just to be clear on this with the OP, are you seriously indicating that the "cause" of ASDs is an inability to breathe through one's nose? That's how your OP reads at the moment.

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04 Jul 2013, 7:34 pm

^ This.

I have no trouble with my own nasal breathing, except during allergy season or when I have a cold.

Many of my NT acquaintances do have sinus problems year-round.

If the NIH backs up this study, then I'll give it more credence.

Until then, I remain skeptical.

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04 Jul 2013, 7:59 pm

AgentPalpatine wrote:

There have been numerous studies suggesting some sort of physical link between ASDs and (insert physical characteristic), several of which look more like sampling bias.

Not the studies I posted. The subjects were selected and analyzed using nonselective methods, if you take a look at the studies. The lung study is being redone to see if every autistic has this configuration, or just autistics with irregular coughs

Some of the ideas out there are far better documented than what the OP offers. I'm stating that as a statement, not an endorsement.

Which Ideas?

Just to be clear on this with the OP, are you seriously indicating that the "cause" of ASDs is an inability to breathe through one's nose? That's how your OP reads at the moment.

Well, being AS, I do have some trouble communicating my ideas, but I never meant it that way. I was just curious if it was a prominent factor for most cases of AS. Gilmartin said only half of his subjects had this problem, and my survey shows it too. I lived with it for 20 years, so I have some say in it.

As for more reliable research, fnord is right -- for now. We will have to wait a few more years.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- ... res-study/
http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/in-br ... ose-autism

BTW, I did find two published studies on facial features.

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05 Jul 2013, 3:52 am

I have always had trouble breathing through my nose and I often feel that my sense of smell is usually almost nonexistent. I have nasal allergies every day of the year, as well as some recently developed food allergies. I had a severely deviated nasal septum that was surgically corrected when I had my (rather large) tonsils removed back in 2011. I don't know about the difficulty breathing = shy part, but it sounds like an interesting line of thinking.

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