Song lyrics etc. that express the Asperger's world

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12 May 2019, 11:05 am

This song is not for Autistics per se but anybody in a bullied group
Stand - Sly And The Family Stone

Quote:
Stand!
In the end you'll still be you
One that's done all the things you set out to do
Stand!
There's a cross for you to bear
Things to go through if you're going anywhere
Stand!
For the things you know are right
It's the truth that the truth makes them so uptight
Stand!
All the things you want are real
You have you to complete and there is no deal
Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Ooo ooo stand!
You've been sitting much too long
There's a permanent crease in your right and wrong
Stand
There's a midget standing tall
And a giant beside him about to fall
Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Stand! Stand! Ooh!
Ooo ooo stand!
They will try to make you crawl
And they know what you're saying makes sense and all
Stand!
Don't you know that you are free
Well at least in your mind if you want to be
Everybody
Stand! Stand!
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah
Stand! Na na na na na na na na na nah



Another song not about autism but by being in an in between land and thus hated by both sides. Similar to the “Shot By Both Sides” song I posted earlier in the thread. I find it so very relevant for those of us Aspies/mild/high functioning autistics who are hated by both the autism is a horrible disease so you are not autistic people and the people who think we are all a bunch of savants who should stop being lazy and just try harder.
Half Breed - Cher
Quote:
My father married a pure Cherokee
My mother's people were ashamed of me
The Indians said I was white by law
The White Man always called me "Indian Squaw"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We never settled, went from town to town
When you're not welcome you don't hang around
The other children always laughed at me
"Give her a feather, she's a Cherokee"
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
We weren't accepted and I felt ashamed
Nineteen I left them, tell me who's to blame
My life since then has been from man to man
But I can't run away from what I am
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born
Half-breed, that's all I ever heard
Half-breed, how I learned to hate the word
Half-breed, she's no good they warned
Both sides were against me since the day I was born

Bolding mine.


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12 May 2019, 4:35 pm

Like that song, and like the vid. Havent heard it for a long while.

But how do you relate to the story -as an autistic? We autistics are often at odds with NTs. But I don't see how you would be torn between two groups the way the narrators of Half Breed ,or "Shot From Both Sides" are.



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12 May 2019, 9:12 pm

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13 May 2019, 9:32 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Like that song, and like the vid. Havent heard it for a long while.

But how do you relate to the story -as an autistic? We autistics are often at odds with NTs. But I don't see how you would be torn between two groups the way the narrators of Half Breed ,or "Shot From Both Sides" are.

The protagonist in the song is biracial. The song was written during an era when “mixed marriages” were less common and accepted. “Half Breed” was the insult constantly thrown at her by whites and Indians neither of whom accepted her as one of there own. She thus learned to hate the word but realized she can not run away from who she is.

Mild/high functioning/aspies (many WP members) are not accepted by many parents of severely autistic children, therapists and even other autistics. People post here daily about being rejected for an autism diagnoses because they are married and have a job on so on. Diagnosed people have been told by friends and family they are not autistic or do not have “real autism”. Parents of severely autistic kids will often say we have no right to critique or advise them because we have the ability to do so. We are often told we do not need support or sympathy because our problems would go away if we just try harder.

Many members here while feeling rejected by the people above also feel thrown under the bus by the neurodiversity movement. They reject the idea that their difficulties are purely a matter of being different. While they are “mild” they feel depressed, suicidal yet they are told by some posters that their difficulties are not autisms fault it is the co morbids, if we all just create some autistic country everything would be alright, if we do not feel that way or we want to fit in we are brainwashed sheep. Another words if we do not agree with their utopian view of autism we are lazy. Sound familiar?

We sometimes or all the time feel neither really autistic nor NT stuck in between somewhere. We are the neurological equivalent to a half breed, rejected by both sides of the “autism wars” we learn to hate the words Autism, Autistic, Aspie but we can not run away from who we are.


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13 May 2019, 9:46 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
... Mild/high functioning/aspies (many WP members) are not accepted by many parents of severely autistic children, therapists and even other autistics. People post here daily about being rejected for an autism diagnoses because they are married and have a job on so on. Diagnosed people have been told by friends and family they are not autistic or do not have "real autism". Parents of severely autistic kids will often say we have no right to critique or advise them because we have the ability to do so. We are often told we do not need support or sympathy because our problems would go away if we just try harder. Many members here while feeling rejected by the people above also feel thrown under the bus by the neurodiversity movement. They reject the idea that their difficulties are purely a matter of being different. While they are "mild" they feel depressed ... [in] other words if we do not agree with their utopian view of autism we are lazy ... We sometimes or all the time feel neither really autistic nor NT stuck in between somewhere. We are the neurological equivalent to a half breed, rejected by both sides of the "autism wars" we learn to hate the words Autism, Autistic, Aspie but we can not run away from who we are.
I can confirm all of this.

In addition, those of us who have achieved any measure of success in the business or social contexts are accused of only being "lucky" by more severely-autistic people. To those people, none of our efforts, none of our persistence, and none of our suffering has anything to do with being successful. To them, it all comes down to the flip of a coin, the roll of the dice, or the turn of a card -- just be in the right place at the right time and the fates will smile upon you and give you all of the benefits of being neurotypical, and all for doing nothing at all.

So we feel that instead of being examples of how to overcome a disability, we are instead held up as people who have somehow "cheated" the system. The very people whom we want to inspire and encourage see us only as undeserving of our successes (at best) or as detractors (at worst) of their situations.

The hell with them.


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13 May 2019, 12:17 pm

Fnord wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
... Mild/high functioning/aspies (many WP members) are not accepted by many parents of severely autistic children, therapists and even other autistics. People post here daily about being rejected for an autism diagnoses because they are married and have a job on so on. Diagnosed people have been told by friends and family they are not autistic or do not have "real autism". Parents of severely autistic kids will often say we have no right to critique or advise them because we have the ability to do so. We are often told we do not need support or sympathy because our problems would go away if we just try harder. Many members here while feeling rejected by the people above also feel thrown under the bus by the neurodiversity movement. They reject the idea that their difficulties are purely a matter of being different. While they are "mild" they feel depressed ... [in] other words if we do not agree with their utopian view of autism we are lazy ... We sometimes or all the time feel neither really autistic nor NT stuck in between somewhere. We are the neurological equivalent to a half breed, rejected by both sides of the "autism wars" we learn to hate the words Autism, Autistic, Aspie but we can not run away from who we are.
I can confirm all of this.

In addition, those of us who have achieved any measure of success in the business or social contexts are accused of only being "lucky" by more severely-autistic people. To those people, none of our efforts, none of our persistence, and none of our suffering has anything to do with being successful. To them, it all comes down to the flip of a coin, the roll of the dice, or the turn of a card -- just be in the right place at the right time and the fates will smile upon you and give you all of the benefits of being neurotypical, and all for doing nothing at all.

So we feel that instead of being examples of how to overcome a disability, we are instead held up as people who have somehow "cheated" the system. The very people whom we want to inspire and encourage see us only as undeserving of our successes (at best) or as detractors (at worst) of their situations.

The hell with them.

As many of you know I post up news stories about both positive and negative things about the autistic experience.

Usually when I post a story about an autistic that has accomplished something it gets one or two replies if any at all. If I post a news story about an autistic getting abused or killed, or news about a study that indicates Autistics have a higher rate of some malady that will get many more responses.

I understand that positive stories can make the depressed more depressed because it makes them feel not only distant from NT’s but other autistics which can seem worse. I do get this, nothing makes me feel more perturbed then motivational speakers and tearjerker movies where the protagonist through pure positivity and willpower overcomes seemingly impossible odds and lives happily ever after. That solution works for some people but is counterproductive for most. My purpose in positing these accomplishment stories is not to make you feel depressed, not to make you feel like you are a failure because you have not had the success of the subject of the news story. It is just to demonstrate that a future of complete failure is not a forgone conclusion.

I understand most autistics do not have nearly the executive functioning/initiation skills of Fnord. Hell most NT’s don’t have that. If I had that life he had constant physical and verbal abuse at home, homeless not only would I probably not only turned it into a successful military stint, career, marriage, family I would probably be dead. Success for each person is different, most of us won’t become Fnord or Alex or the people I post about because we are not them. Their methods and attitudes may not work for us but at least some of them might be helpful if we take the time listen to what they say.


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15 May 2019, 1:08 pm

The Beatles’ Nowhere Man describes me fairly well



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18 May 2019, 2:54 pm



This song reminds me of a very specific problem of mine about how I changed so many things about myself to fit in. And these passages remind me of my dilemma about how that may actually have been necessary.

"I had to make them changes, I hope you understood
You see for every bad, I did a ton of good
But you was underground, and I was mainstream
I live the life now, that we would daydream"

In childhood, I had a bad temper. And I didn't have a trauma or an overlying issue that caused it, I was just like that. Sad to say, but if I never wanted to fit in this much, I would have seen no reason to control it. I shudder to think what kind of person I would probably be by now if I wasn't blackmailed into controlling my temper. Would I be like this one woman who beat up a kid last Halloween and all that she could say about it was a nonchalant "I was just letting out some steam"? 'Cause that was my old mindset. I only started to care about what people said when it turned out there were reasons to.

"But you was underground, and I was mainstream"

I personally interpret that as "You weren't adaptable, but I was." I developed a fake self out of trauma and as I said above, I strangely believe there were some benefits to it even though it was otherwise a bad idea.



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Yesterday, 6:21 pm

"Quazimodo" by Lifehouse

"You could be right
And I'll be real
honesty
Won't be a pain
You'll have to feel
Cause I don't need
Your approval to find
My worth I've been trapped
Inside of my own
Mind afraid to open
My eyes to what I'd
Find I don't want to
Live like this anymore
There goes my pain there
Goes my chains did you
See them fall there
Goes this feeling that
Has no meaning there
Goes the world off
Of my shoulders there
Goes the world off of
My back there it goes
Does it scare you that
I can be something
Different than you
Would it make you
Feel more comfortable
If I wasn't you can't
Control me you can't
Take away from me who
I am have you ever felt
That your only comfort
Was your cage you're not
Alone I have felt the
Same as you have you ever
Felt like your secrets
Give you away you're not
Alone I have been there,
Too everyone is looking
And everybody is laughing
But I think everyone feels
The same everybody wants
To feel okay everybody
Wants to everybody wants
To feel 'cause you can't
Change me you can't break
Me there goes the world
Off of my shoulders there
Goes the world off of
My back 'cause
I don't want it"


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