mild autistic disorder vs aspergers
30 Jan 2014, 1:00 am
Sethno wrote:
The post about someone having germs thrown at them because of "magical autism powers" was...strange.
Then, without any explaining, this same person posts links with nothing else.
Would YOU want other forum members linking to unknown material via links posted by someone who said they were being attacked by bottles of germs thrown by people who didn't like their magic powers?
I was giving a warning when something looked very, very strange.
It was the right thing to do, and I explained why I was doing it.
As for the videos...
Someone with good intelligence and communication skills said they were NOT mildly affected, but rather SEVERELY affected by their autism.
I pointed out there are others that were virtually helpless and not even able to communicate. That relatively speaking, the young man in the vids is in a far more impaired state.
I used no stereotypes, but spoke of serious impairments that do exist, showing that a person can be greatly impaired, and that a person posting on a website is far less affected.
The young man shown in in the vids is shown as he is, and his mom isn't showing his "worst moments". She's showing what it's like with him each day. Also, the fact remains he's not toilet trained, cannot speak, has a SIB problem, etc.
This is severe.
Recognizing severe impairment does not constitute disrespect.
Two people disliked the use of the term "infant", which was an appropriate term considering his limitations. I'll not bother to describe those. It's posted above.
I properly defended my use of the term "infant", and there was nothing at all wrong with my initial post mentioning the term, nor my two replies.
I'm disappointed and sadened that my attempt to encourage someone has been used as a launching pad for an attack against me by several people.
It's shameful.
Talk about people disliking other people...
Then, without any explaining, this same person posts links with nothing else.
Would YOU want other forum members linking to unknown material via links posted by someone who said they were being attacked by bottles of germs thrown by people who didn't like their magic powers?
I was giving a warning when something looked very, very strange.
It was the right thing to do, and I explained why I was doing it.
As for the videos...
Someone with good intelligence and communication skills said they were NOT mildly affected, but rather SEVERELY affected by their autism.
I pointed out there are others that were virtually helpless and not even able to communicate. That relatively speaking, the young man in the vids is in a far more impaired state.
I used no stereotypes, but spoke of serious impairments that do exist, showing that a person can be greatly impaired, and that a person posting on a website is far less affected.
The young man shown in in the vids is shown as he is, and his mom isn't showing his "worst moments". She's showing what it's like with him each day. Also, the fact remains he's not toilet trained, cannot speak, has a SIB problem, etc.
This is severe.
Recognizing severe impairment does not constitute disrespect.
Two people disliked the use of the term "infant", which was an appropriate term considering his limitations. I'll not bother to describe those. It's posted above.
I properly defended my use of the term "infant", and there was nothing at all wrong with my initial post mentioning the term, nor my two replies.
I'm disappointed and sadened that my attempt to encourage someone has been used as a launching pad for an attack against me by several people.
It's shameful.
Talk about people disliking other people...
I obviously can't say this for sure, but I think Who Am I was either (1) actually sick and making a joke about the origins of the illness, or (2) speaking metaphorically (maybe ironically). I don't think WAI actually believes people are throwing tuberculosis bacteria.
30 Jan 2014, 1:17 am
wozeree wrote:
I obviously can't say this for sure, but I think Who Am I was either (1) actually sick and making a joke about the origins of the illness, or (2) speaking metaphorically (maybe ironically). I don't think WAI actually believes people are throwing tuberculosis bacteria.
So you think I took things too literally?
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Someone just pointed out to me in PM we've begun to hijack this thread. That was never my aim, so I'm clamming up now. Woz? If you want to reply to my question, can we do it in PM? Thanks.
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30 Jan 2014, 2:53 am
Sorry to hijack your thread, mmcool; I just want to clear up this misunderstanding.
Sethno wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Please be careful about any links this person provides.
They've just posted a new thread, claiming that people are trying to infect them with diseases by throwing at them test tubes with dangerous germs in them.
It's claimed these "enemies" are afraid of this poster's "magic autism powers" and this is the reason for the attacks.
PLEASE avoid getting any viruses of a different kind thru any links provided.
1. The thread was a joke; the row of dots at the bottom are a link.
2. LMGTFY stands for "let me Google that for you", because the information that mmcool is after can be found with a simple Google search rather than yelling at everyone for not sticking strictly to discussion about the ICD.
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Like, don't foment needless scares. It doesn't even make sense to connect something that Who Am I said about test tubes to wanting to inflict computer viruses on anyone. That's a random accusation with no foundation.
Yeah, this. Also, mmcool does a lot of work with computers, so I really, really hope he has antivirus software in the first place.
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The post about someone having germs thrown at them because of "magical autism powers" was...strange.
Like I said, it was a joke thread. It was a satire of
- the thread I linked
- the attitude that the entire NT world is out to get all autistics
- autistic supremacy
- the idea that autistics are special snowflakes with magical powers
- the tendency of some people to compare every.damn.person.who.they.dislike to the Nazis
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Then, without any explaining, this same person posts links with nothing else.
The two things were unrelated, and my links were directly related to the topic. I did forget that not everyone is aware of LMGTFY.
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Just because someone says something that sounds strange does not mean they're automatically a danger. If she's experiencing psychosis she is far more likely to be a danger to herself if she's a danger at all than she is to be a danger to any of us. What she said sounds like magical thinking, and not indicative of truly sinister motives.
Also if I was psychotic I probably wouldn't be "together' enough to launch a virus at someone.
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I don't think WAI actually believes people are throwing tuberculosis bacteria.
Nah. Even if they were, I have a great immune system. I can't remember the last time I got a bacterial illness.
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30 Jan 2014, 3:18 am
mmcool wrote:
This was meant to be a thread what's better to have.
Aspergers vs mild autistic disorder.
Aspergers vs mild autistic disorder.
It's not too late for you to edit your title and opening post to reflect this.
Verdandi, no worries.
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30 Jan 2014, 3:54 am
Who_Am_I wrote:
mmcool wrote:
This was meant to be a thread what's better to have.
Aspergers vs mild autistic disorder.
Aspergers vs mild autistic disorder.
It's not too late for you to edit your title and opening post to reflect this.
Verdandi, no worries.
I made a comment and no one replied to it but everyone replies to offtopic people
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30 Jan 2014, 4:06 am
I think your answer is practically impossible to answer. Diagnostically, many clinicians don't even see a difference between so-called "HFA" and "Asperger's" when dealing with clients. So, you may be asking "which label would you prefer to be sorted with, given the same symptoms in either case."
30 Jan 2014, 6:14 am
Verdandi wrote:
I think your answer is practically impossible to answer. Diagnostically, many clinicians don't even see a difference between so-called "HFA" and "Asperger's" when dealing with clients. So, you may be asking "which label would you prefer to be sorted with, given the same symptoms in either case."
Mild autistic disorder and aspergers are different in ICD 10
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30 Jan 2014, 9:49 am
Sethno wrote:
KingdomOfRats wrote:
...if am thinking of the same guy [am on a dongle so cant go youtubing],he is a young adult and isnt like an infant,he just has a mental capacity lower than hfa or neurotypical people which means he behaves,thinks and understands different to the norm,this includes having challenging behaviors because he doesnt have the same capacity to develop the same skills as others,he has lived his life to the best of his ability and doesnt deserve to be put on the same level as an infant,at least give him that respect,am speaking as someone who is actualy just like him in all ways except higher functioning in communication...
He can't speak, isn't toilet trained, and has been known to bite people.
This is no insult. It's a description of his limitations.
He's very much like an infant, except for the mobility...and the teeth.
yep,thought so have got the right person in mind....am exactly the same,have two support staff to self at all times,bite and get far worse than he does when frustrated or if restrained,am prescribed nappies on the NHS,and lacking speech doesnt mean anything about what goes on inside his head,mine is always working whether am fully non verbal or echolalic.
with support am a paid staff of the NHS,working for two social services learning [US=intelectual] disability teams as an interviewer; choosing the right people for current job posts on the team,am a local autism and intelectual disability activist,helping out various services to understand our disabilities including hospitals, businesses and social services.
am making more contribution to society than many non autistic and hf autistics yet the guy and by proxy anyone else with the same traits are given the highly limiting,judgemental and offensive title of having the mind of a child,the lad and the rest of us of similar presentation dont have a childs mind, we have a lower mental capacity which has a knock on effect on how we understand,feel,learn,behave, communicate etc.
30 Jan 2014, 11:32 am
KingdomOfRats wrote:
Sethno wrote:
KingdomOfRats wrote:
...if am thinking of the same guy [am on a dongle so cant go youtubing],he is a young adult and isnt like an infant,he just has a mental capacity lower than hfa or neurotypical people which means he behaves,thinks and understands different to the norm,this includes having challenging behaviors because he doesnt have the same capacity to develop the same skills as others,he has lived his life to the best of his ability and doesnt deserve to be put on the same level as an infant,at least give him that respect,am speaking as someone who is actualy just like him in all ways except higher functioning in communication...
He can't speak, isn't toilet trained, and has been known to bite people.
This is no insult. It's a description of his limitations.
He's very much like an infant, except for the mobility...and the teeth.
yep,thought so have got the right person in mind....am exactly the same,have two support staff to self at all times,bite and get far worse than he does when frustrated or if restrained,am prescribed nappies on the NHS,and lacking speech doesnt mean anything about what goes on inside his head,mine is always working whether am fully non verbal or echolalic.
with support am a paid staff of the NHS,working for two social services learning [US=intelectual] disability teams as an interviewer; choosing the right people for current job posts on the team,am a local autism and intelectual disability activist,helping out various services to understand our disabilities including hospitals, businesses and social services.
am making more contribution to society than many non autistic and hf autistics yet the guy and by proxy anyone else with the same traits are given the highly limiting,judgemental and offensive title of having the mind of a child,the lad and the rest of us of similar presentation dont have a childs mind, we have a lower mental capacity which has a knock on effect on how we understand,feel,learn,behave, communicate etc.
Thanks kingdom of rats. Another wonderful post with great clarification.
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30 Jan 2014, 11:43 am
Verdandi wrote:
I think your answer is practically impossible to answer. Diagnostically, many clinicians don't even see a difference between so-called "HFA" and "Asperger's" when dealing with clients. So, you may be asking "which label would you prefer to be sorted with, given the same symptoms in either case."
Actually, the experts of the autism centre mentioned, that they would like to diagnose me with HFA, because of me being practically blind to things your brain does automatically in an social context. When I look into your eyes, I mention that you have eyes. ^^ And I can tell you the colour of them. ^^ I KNOW that I should be able to read a ton of information from them, but it just does not happen during context, without you freezing your face, and giving me time to logically analyze it.
The thing was the speech delay. According to diagnostic rules, HFA must have speech delay as toddler.
30 Jan 2014, 12:14 pm
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jenisautistic wrote:
Even though I am lower functioning this post kind of makes me feel uncomfortable I don't really know exactly why I guess it could have to do with the fact that I don't like people being compared the mentality of an infant...
I'll reply to you the same way I did above.
The poor guy can't speak, makes noises like a baby, wears diapers because he isn't toilet trained, and bites people.
His behaviour is that of an infant with teeth. He's badly impaired, and others with far less in the way of impairments are only mildly affected by their autism.
You say you are "low functioning", Jen, but you can speak. I've seen you. You can write. We're reading you right now.
That poor kid can't communicate at all, and if you'd seen the videos, you'd see he's fairly helpless (except that he will bite when very upset).
He IS like an infant. You and I function better than he does. Would you say your impairments are NOT "mild" compared to his?
I'm not trying to compare my self to him.
As for my function level if you want to know I'm labeled level two on the DSM five. Im at camp and special-needs program and I never go anywhere without a caregiver the only place I ever go to withour caregiver is my school or my camp/program which is highly staff with specialists and couslers. And I couldn't even physically dress myself properly until I was 10. And I still have a lot of physical and develpmental delays so while I don't compare myself to that man please don't call me high functioning.
And as for your other post I don't know if it was directed towards me also but I was never trying to attack you I was merely trying to educate you. And I'm really sorry if I hurt you.
Kingdom of rats already made a wonderful post about this so I don't want to really say anything else but do you think that this man would compare to carly fleischmann before she started typing.
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30 Jan 2014, 12:17 pm
mmcool wrote:
My past is not something I like to go into.
I look back at the videos of me 3 years old with not even babbling and think how far I have come in my life, it's the reason I want to help people.
The worst thing was bullys.
I look back at the videos of me 3 years old with not even babbling and think how far I have come in my life, it's the reason I want to help people.
The worst thing was bullys.
This is also like me but I would say when you're ready talk about your past on here maybe it'll make you feel better.
I like helping people too.
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30 Jan 2014, 12:40 pm
jenisautistic wrote:
Sethno wrote:
Willard wrote:
mmcool wrote:
mild autistic disorder vs aspergers
please keep on topic
it is more like what is the difference.
under ICD.
or the the USA AS vs HFA
please keep on topic
it is more like what is the difference.
under ICD.
or the the USA AS vs HFA
...MY HANDICAP IS NOT 'MILD.' It has made my entire life an excruciating living nightmare, the worse because I appear normal, but do not have the Executive Function to manage life as a normal adult...
Everything is relative, Willard.
I hope you don't mind me being this blunt, but let's put it this way-
Would you rather have full tilt classic autism? To this day screaming if someone touched you, and totally unable to speak? Unable too handle more than retreating to a corner and rocking for a good part of the day?
You might want to spend even just a few hours observing more severely afflicted children and, yes, ADULTS on the spectrum.
Once you do that, you'll likely come to appreciate that your situation does indeed involve "mild" autism.
It could be a lot worse.
My therapist again consoled me, just today, with the fact that both he and my doctor believe I'm on the spectrum, so for the moment let me say "we"...
We're in a whole lot better shape than some people are, Willard.
Appreciate what you have. You can speak, and dude, you come across as INTELLIGENT. Executive functioning? Yeah, I have a terribly cluttered apartment right now, because I've failed to keep things in order for a good while. There are other things I don't keep orderly the way I should too, but you know what? I'd choose this level of impairment ANY DAY over things I've seen in other people's lives.
There's a series of videos on YouTube about a young man who's not verbal, is full grown, and whose family has to keep male orderlies on staff at their home most of the day (thankfully they apparently can afford it), because he can get totally out of control. Sometimes they actually have to bind his arms because he starts doing self destructive stimming. Except for his mobility, he's very much like an infant, and the situation is nearly out of control.
My heart goes out to that family, and to their autistic son.
It could have been either one of us, Willard.
Thankfully, we both are dealing with a much MILDER degree of impairment.
Smile, friend. Your life and mine could be a lot worse.
Even though I am lower functioning this post kind of makes me feel uncomfortable I don't really know exactly why I guess it could have to do with the fact that I don't like people being compared the mentality of an infant so I think that even the lowest functioning person is not less than anyone else in the sense that they do have The ability to have feelings that thawed send again kind too shocked to explain this right now it's not your fault and I don't blame you and I'm not trying to say or bad or anything.
it's that I've been posting a lot of stuff and I don't really wanted to get into details but if you want to know why just look at my thread why do people consider lower functioning inferior? And again it's not you when I completely understand what you mean and I do agree about what you're saying about counting your blessings. But for some reason this post just rubbed me the wrong way.
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Even though I am lower functioning this post kind of makes me feel uncomfortable I don't really know exactly why I guess it could have to do with the fact that I don't like people being compared the mentality of an infant so I think that even the lowest functioning person is not less than anyone else in the sense that they do have The ability to have feelings that thawed send again kind too shocked to explain this right now it's not your fault and I don't blame you and I'm not trying to say or bad or anything
Sorry, Jen, but you have tried to make a point that is extremely obviously logically flawed, as an infant has feelings, too.
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it's that I've been posting a lot of stuff and I don't really wanted to get into details but if you want to know why just look at my thread why do people consider lower functioning inferior? And again it's not you when I completely understand what you mean and I do agree about what you're saying about counting your blessings. But for some reason this post just rubbed me the wrong way
Sometimes a bitter feeling comes up around something someone says or does, but I can't put my finger on exactly why, and that can be very unpleasant. I started to grow up, and sorry to say, at a VERY late age, but at least it happened, when I stopped looking outside myself and blaming other people. Then I digested the bitter without being poisoned and was free. I could be my real self again. Ever try just simply feeling something? Feeling it to the bitter end and then being done with it?
This does not at all mean mean giving up thinking but actually will result in being able to think much more clearly.
(Willard, this is not to discount what you have described. I have this, too, though I do not talk about it here, around executive functioning, and that is just part of it. Hell is the right word to describe it, so you have my sympathy. HELL. It is a horrible thing, Except there is a benefit to seeing the glass as half full rather than half empty. It took me many decades to learn this and get over a bad habit of negative thinking I developed as a child. This person, Sethno, who wrote that was trying to give you something. Are you able to simply accept a gift? I was not. I needed therapy to help me learn how to accept from the universe. My therapist didn't understand a lot of stuff and knew nothing about autism, but he was able to help me in this one way, and this transformed my entire life. Also, it is not possible to give yourself what you really need until you know how to accept..
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