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donnie_darko
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13 Oct 2014, 10:22 am

They're young human beings, so what? I don't really understand why people always talk about "save the children" and "think of the children". Why not save everybody?

While a lot of kids are adorable and cute to watch I can't stand being around most of them for any more than an hour or so. I'd rather talk to old people. I don't think it's any sadder if a kid has cancer or is murdered than if a young adult is, I don't feel less empathy for people merely because they have existed longer and are more capable of doing the evil things humans often do.

I like kids but no more than anyone else and I don't get why they are seen as this kind of sacred cow in our society. People who don't want children of their own and don't like being around other people's kids are seen as weirdos at best and heartless at worst. No, I don't want to hold your baby! I have OCD and their fragility is a trigger to me.



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13 Oct 2014, 10:37 am

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I don't get why they are seen as this kind of sacred cow in our society.

Maybe because we don't believe in sacred cows anymore? The child as the new deity? To any worshipper I recommend "The Omen", 1976, with Gregory Peck. In other words: I cannot help agreeing with you, although at some point I would like to have children. Perhaps they will change my mind.



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13 Oct 2014, 10:40 am

Kids seem to trigger some kind of strange emotional reaction in people.

I'm probably a hypocrite for being confused by it-- I like kids more than averagely, I must, because I went and had four of them, and I'm glad when their little friends show up, I enjoy a houseful of small children running and yelling and tearing stuff up-- but it confuses me none the less.

I think maybe people resent having to be grown up, so they make kids sacrosanct. Sounds to me like maybe we need to give the adults some room to breathe. Then maybe it wouldn't suck to much to have to stop being a kid.


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13 Oct 2014, 10:51 am

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Kids seem to trigger some kind of strange emotional reaction in people.

I'm probably a hypocrite for being confused by it-- I like kids more than averagely, I must, because I went and had four of them, and I'm glad when their little friends show up, I enjoy a houseful of small children running and yelling and tearing stuff up-- but it confuses me none the less.

I think maybe people resent having to be grown up, so they make kids sacrosanct. Sounds to me like maybe we need to give the adults some room to breathe. Then maybe it wouldn't suck to much to have to stop being a kid.


Maybe I have a different view of it because my childhood kind of sucked. I vastly prefer being an adult, being able to go out whenever I want, eat what I please, not constantly be told I'm naughty and worthless, not being smacked on a daily basis. I would like children of my own but it's not because I like kids. I think people love their children because they are a human they created, not because they are small children. At least that's how it should be, I feel like my mom doesn't care about me as much now that I'm an adult. She always complains about how broke she is but bought my 11 year old brother a $200 Xbox but never helps me out financially at all. Not that I feel entitled to it or anything, I just find it kinda sad that my dad helps me out with so much and she never does with anything.



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13 Oct 2014, 12:47 pm

children are innocent, they are not fully developed and they are vulnerable, much like people with certain disabilities, animals and the elderly you feel responsible for them because they have not got the ability to protect themselves like an adult would.



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13 Oct 2014, 12:51 pm

I felt exactly the same way that you do, until I wanted & had my own children. And even now, my feelings really only extend to my own children and I still don't really enjoy OTHER people's children. (I *understand* them better, if they are the same age or younger than my kids are now, but I still don't really enjoy them very much.) I do vastly enjoy my OWN children.

But yeah. When I was growing up I didn't feel any sort of attraction to children or babies and did NOT want to hold a baby or have to talk to little kid. When my adult friends started to have babies, I felt very awkward around their kids and struggled when I had to interact with them. figured I would probably never have kids, or want to have kids. It was a real surprise to me when that changed, later on.

My guess is that most people, women at least, have more of an instinctive attraction to children and babies, for biological reasons. I didn't (until I DID), but I've never been a "normal" female.



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13 Oct 2014, 1:17 pm

If I was treated on an average day of work like I was treated during an average day of my seventh grade - I don't think I could cope with that.

I like children in modest doses. But I cannot for the life of me figure why many adults think they are sweet little bundles of innocence.


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13 Oct 2014, 1:27 pm

i follow native spirituality and native upbringings so i believe in respecting and caring for Children and Elders, the elders are the wisdom of the past and the children are the hope of the future.


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13 Oct 2014, 1:34 pm

I can't stand children. Never could. Their existence affronts me. Why? Because they are little humans and I really don't like humans. I wish people would stop reproducing so that humans would die out. Whenever I see I child I see another demon brought into the world to satisfy another human's vanity.



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13 Oct 2014, 1:37 pm

For one thing, a child has had little chance at living life. Most of their lives are ahead of them, so their deaths are, objectively, a greater loss.

However, I would say the greatest reason is instinct. For obvious reasons, humans are wired to keep the younger generation alive at almost all costs - it's evolution, baby.

I know it's considered cool to hate kids (not a contradiction with the above, instinct and "coolness" don't necessarily coincide), but I always find it kind of funny amongst autistic people, considering that, in a lot of ways, we act like kids ourselves.



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13 Oct 2014, 1:43 pm

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I always find it kind of funny amongst autistic people, considering that, in a lot of ways, we act like kids ourselves.

I was amused when I read this :)



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13 Oct 2014, 1:57 pm

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If I was treated on an average day of work like I was treated during an average day of my seventh grade - I don't think I could cope with that.

I like children in modest doses. But I cannot for the life of me figure why many adults think they are sweet little bundles of innocence.


It always seemed appalling to me that, as an adult, I can have someone charged with harassment for doing the things they did without consequences when we were kids.

Kids aren't worse than adults, but they do get away with more.



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13 Oct 2014, 2:06 pm

Nonperson wrote:
I know it's considered cool to hate kids (not a contradiction with the above, instinct and "coolness" don't necessarily coincide), but I always find it kind of funny amongst autistic people, considering that, in a lot of ways, we act like kids ourselves.


I don't hate kids ... I just don't see the big deal. And I sometimes find them annoying because they always want to be entertained.



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13 Oct 2014, 2:11 pm

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They're young human beings, so what? I don't really understand why people always talk about "save the children" and "think of the children". Why not save everybody?

While a lot of kids are adorable and cute to watch I can't stand being around most of them for any more than an hour or so. I'd rather talk to old people. I don't think it's any sadder if a kid has cancer or is murdered than if a young adult is, I don't feel less empathy for people merely because they have existed longer and are more capable of doing the evil things humans often do.

I like kids but no more than anyone else and I don't get why they are seen as this kind of sacred cow in our society. People who don't want children of their own and don't like being around other people's kids are seen as weirdos at best and heartless at worst. No, I don't want to hold your baby! I have OCD and their fragility is a trigger to me.

Thank you. I absolutely agree with you. I don't like discrimination. An adult having a serious illness/injury/difficulty is equally distressing as a child doing so.



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13 Oct 2014, 4:19 pm

I have very mixed feelings about children. I find their parents are more clueless than ever, they are spoiled and carry all kinds of horrific germs that they touch with their sticky little starfish hands. Just hearing their high, whiny voices when I'm at the store or any other public place makes me want to throttle them Homer Simpson-style, but then I'd have to bathe in hand sanitizer afterwards. But I still remember being a kid myself and having fond memories of a time when the world didn't seem so horrific even though I wouldn't be diagnosed with Asperger's until I became an adult. But even when I was a kid I liked older people like my grandparents and still get along with them better. Of course I'm at the age now where kids think I'm ancient and seniors think I'm still young. I think I'll have to go with what the senior's think. :)



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13 Oct 2014, 5:58 pm

Maybe because children are so weak and innocent they still don't understand things and because they're kids they still didn't live much to see life, etc but I see old people weaker than children and feel sadder about them when I see them but old people have lived their life and experienced it while children didn't, young adults and adults are capable of doing more things I see them as the "dominants of human society/humanity"