"He's an odd bird? maybe Asperger's or something?"

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It's not a magic bullet but if you think about it, every part of your body including your brain is made of cells (this is oversimplified, I know). Those cells have to be nourished to develop and perform and heal properly. If they are nourished well, they will be at their best and your body will function at its best. If they are malnourished they will not function properly and therefore, neither will you. This is just simple logic. Your body metabolizes healthy foods better than others and even in what we consider healthy foods we can break that down more specifically into what each of our individual bodies responds to. So no matter what your issues are, if you feed your body in a way that it responds to positively you will be better because your body will perform more efficiently. For some, that will result in such a dramatic and significant reduction in symptoms that in essence it is like a cure. For others, they might only see a little improvement but everyone, no matter what issue he or she is dealing with, will improve somehow. even if it's just a tiny bit, if the body is properly nourished.

Goldfish21: I'm glad your new diet seems to be working for you. Please realize that other people have different needs and conditions from yourself. Some folks are more gullible than others and you might end up doing more harm than good by trying to convince others they should attempt your specific diet.

Proper exercise combined with a healthy diet is good for anyone, regardless of autism. It will improve quality of life. However, it is important to consult a doctor/dietitian first before making drastic changes to one's diet. A professional will make an assessment in order to tailor a diet that addresses the individual, rather than risking negative consequences that could occur from a "one size fits all" fad diet.

Goldfish has done extensive research to find things that worked for him. So if anyone wants to try what he did, I suggest looking at what he did and properly educating oneself as well as including talking to one's doctor. Goldfish is also not liable to anyone for sharing what worked for him.

I read a lot about micronutrients and no doubt a well-nourished body will perform better than a not so well nourished body, can enhance for example concentration, or lessen symptoms of anxiety.
But I fail to understand that when an autistic brain has been developed during pregnancy and has formed a wiring which leads to autistic perception with over- and underconnectivity between different brainstructures how nutrition can fix that?

I don't know that nutrition could necessarily fix that. But some people's Autistic symptoms are from a microbial imbalance with bacteria in the intestine which was caused by a reaction to antibiotics which were most commonly given to babies with chronic ear infections. This has been researched and documented as a cause to the regressive Autism that some children develop. When these children are given counter measures to react to their bacterial intestinal imbalances, their symptoms practically disappear.

It was also found that the Somalian population in Canada has a high occurrence of Autism when they come to Canada whereas in Somalia they do not. This was researched and what was found out with them is that diet plays a very important role in that. Somalians eat a lot of fermented food in their traditional diet and their bodies are adapted to that. They have an intestinal microbial system which works with that. When the come to Canada their diets change considerably and a great rise in Autism was noticed in the Somalian/Canadian community. Researchers think that without the fermented food staple which they eat in their traditional diet, they are missing some bacteria which keeps their bodies stable. When they change their diets from the "western over processed diet" back to a more pure diet, they see great improvements.

I personally believe that Autism can have more than one cause. That makes sense to me and would explain, in my opinion, why the severity can be so dramatically different across the Spectrum. This is my personal thought on this and I think it is worth looking into. I believe many Auties/Aspies are hard wired from birth and I have seen research that says it happens in the second trimester of pregnancy. But I am not convinced that every single Autistic person has the same cause. So I think that that is why different protocols work better for some than for others.

What does being gullible have to do with me suggesting people try a diet w/o junk food that's high in protein, veggies, herbs & spices? This isn't, and never was, a hoax of any kind. People aren't going to do harm to themselves by eating chicken soup or garlic. Get real.

Of course proper diet & exercise are good for anyone. Sorry, I disagree that it's important to consult a doctor/dietician before changing one's diet. Everyone on the planet pretty much eats whatever they damn well please and changes it up however they like without having to have the express permission of a nutritionist. Further, because it appears that very few people have made and accepted the gut-brain connection between diet & autism symptoms, then chances of very many doctors/dieticians being familiar with such an herbal cleansing protocol to rebalance intestinal flora is very slim unless they happen to be a nuturopath who's in the know about such things.

I wouldn't call it a "fad diet," at all, especially since so very few people do it. There's no trend on these forums of people willing to even try it even though I've told them of it's benefits for several months. How is it a fad? Unless you count all the people in the world following the GAPS diet or something?? http://www.gapsdiet.com Further, the "consequences," of doing this are greatly improved health and brain functions.. hardly something to worry about.

Then I guess in these cases the autism was not "hard-wired" in the brain connectivity.



I read studies with cat populations, where when given food without enzymes, the second generation was more prone to disease and the third generation even more including early degeneration and blindness.
So in the somalian case the autism comes from diatery changes influencing the next genneration fetus' brain development in the uturus.
But what are these improvements on the more pure diet?
For example research has shown that people with autism tend to focus on details instead of larger concepts, whereas normal brains tend to ignore details.
In one study non-autistic people, Asperger's-autists and autistic people were to read sentences while being in a scanner.
The autistic brain was most active in the brain area that processes individual words while the normal brain in the brain area that analyzes whole sentences, while the Asperger's brain was active in both areas.
Are these among the symptoms (tendancy to focus on detail) which are discussed?



Maybe, I don't know.

"You are what you eat."

and

"Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food."

both come to mind.

Ever get sick & take medicine prescribed by a Medical Doctor and then feel better afterwards? How could eating something (medicine) be such a magic bullet???

Same thing with medicinal foods. It shouldn't seem so far fetched that things you ingest affect your health. Eat McDonald's, get fat. Consume medicine, get healthier. A diet full of medicinal foods specifically tailored to heal a specific health issue does just that.

Further, I've posted several links to articles about the autism gut brain & probiotic connections over the months in this very forum. Look them up. They are short reads & published by people who are authority figures on the topics at hand, not articles I've written.

Annnnd, like I've said umpteen times: Please don't take my word for it - try it for yourself and let your own personal experience tell you within a matter of days or weeks whether or not you're receiving the same benefits I have. That's truly the only way to really know as well as much much faster than waiting 5-10 years for researchers to conduct dietary trials and publish their findings before you'd consider it a possibility.

Annnnnd like I've said before, too, to each their own. It's not hindering my life progress one iota if you/others choose not to try this to better yourselves. I'm just putting it out there for anyone else who'd like to do it for themselves, take it or leave it I'm really pretty indifferent about it. I'll continue doing what I'm doing and getting happier, healthier, and wealthier regardless of whether or not anyone else does it for themselves.

They noticed that the kids were showing fewer and less severer involuntary movements and were much more stable emotionally and not exhibiting the meltdowns. They were much calmer and more stable and able to respond better as far as when someone was addressing them. I don't remember if they mentioned improvements in language abilities or not.

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Personally, Goldfish, I agree with you about not talking to much to doctors. I barely talk to mine about anything. But I mentioned that people should tell their doctors if that is what makes them feel comfortable. But most doctors I have dealt with are not ope minded enough to have intelligent conversations about much of anything. I have met a couple of modern minded doctors that are wonderful though and will be open to whatever you want to share with them. But you are right, you don't need a doctor's permission or advice to eat the crap that a lot of people are eating that is killing them so why do you need a doctor's permission to eat well? That is just stupid. I think it's fine to talk to your doctor if you have a specific condition that can be worsened by eating certain foods to make sure that you are aware of what you should not be eating but just for regular healthy food, I say don't bother. But since people are so paranoid I mentioned in my last post that they should ask if they feel it's important to them. But I totally agree with you on that point.

It should be noted that it is quite common for autistic people to pass as neurotypical, even those who aren't eating a highly restricted diet:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt268559.html
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt266846.html

There are others, but here I've looked up some of the threads I posted:

Autism One conference with speakers on the topic of functional cures via diet:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt259168.html

The surprising body part that could be causing Autism:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt262093.html

I posted about this article, too, but here's a search result from someone else re: probiotic treatments lessening/curing autistic traits in mice:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt246763.html

An article on the gut brain connection:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt257746.html

Another article someone posted about the gut brain connection:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt241633.html

Researchers find clues to Autism in our genes and our gut:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt253716.html

And an excellent 6 minute video from Tedx Caltech that explains a lot about all of this; Mind-altering microbes: how the microbiome affects brain and behavior: Elaine Hsiao at TEDxCaltech

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWT_BLVOASI[/youtube]

and of course there are several articles linked in the bottom of my OP here in the thread link that's in my signature:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt245780.html

There ya go.. plenty of evidence of this science coming from professional scientists and not just my word.

This sounds to me that primarily issues with the central nervous system were alleviated which had an overall calming down effect, but no autistic brainwiring was changed.

Goldfish, no offense, but the way you go on about your diet seems very, very, aspie-ish.

I don't think you cured it.

Thank you for posting the links to your research. I will look at it later. I can't change my diet because I'm on permanent medication for Epilepsy, but maybe others will do this. Although I feel the burden of proof lies with you. Can I ask why you've been so vehemently trying to persuade people that you're correct, over the course of many months, if your attitude is "To each their own"? You seem rather desperate to make other people agree with you. Perhaps you should just say "Have it your own way" now, and permanently drop this subject?

If you were simply advocating a healthy diet/lifestyle for the betterment of others, that would be one thing. However you have repeatedly been attempting to coerce others into making drastic changes to their diet for the explicit purpose of healing a whole host of debilitating issues because you allegedly discovered a "miracle cure." I read your old thread and it goes much further than just eating chicken soup and garlic.

Obviously people don't need to consult a doctor to start making healthier choices in life. However, if someone is suffering from a bunch of different debilitating ailments and is searching for help I would recommend they consult a professional first (and do research to educate themselves, as you did.) It should go without saying that some docs are better than others, so do some research and find a good one.

The point is, you are not in a position to diagnose or treat others yet you make unsubstantiated claims of a miracle cure for a variety of diseases. There's nothing wrong with sharing your success story or your methods used to achieve it, but you have taken it a step further by repeatedly telling everyone you have a miracle cure they need to try. I did not say this is a hoax nor have I said that what you are advocating won't possibly help - but your success story is anecdotal evidence at best, not proof that it will actually cure a bunch of diseases and ailments for other people. There are good people in the world who are truly struggling with major issues in life and the last thing they need is to waste time, energy, and money on false hopes of a "miracle cure."