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kraftiekortie
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18 Nov 2014, 7:16 pm

"Quote Trees" are my pet peeve.

I believe people could do what they want--use WP for their own purposes, provided they don't offend, hurt, or abuse another user. Personal attacks should be moderated to the fullest extent of the "law" of WP.

It's natural to speculate whether one is an Aspie--it's part of exploring one's self. I don't see the harm in it, despite the fact that it could irritate many.

It would be correct for someone to state: "you seem to have some Aspie characteristics--but I haven't seen you. I don't know you personally. Therefore, I cannot conclusively state whether you are Aspie or not." To diagnose a person in this situation would be beyond ridiculous.

It's up to the individual person to determine if he/she is an Aspie.

What's important to note, though, is that being Aspie should not be used as an "excuse" for anything. Success is quite attainable despite (or perhaps even because of) one's Aspieness.

I thought about this quite a bit, and came up with this:

Asperger's/Autism is frequently a "condition," a "difference," rather than a "disease." Asperger's/Autism is not something you "have," like measles.

One might "suffer" because one is Autistic/Aspergian. One does not "suffer" from Autism/Asperger's.



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21 Nov 2014, 5:39 pm

dump on the self-diagnosed because you are clinically diagnosed
dump on the clinically diagnosed if you are self diagnosed
forget that we all have suffering in common throughout our lives
dump on the definers of ASD as disability if you support the difference approach
dump on the definers of ASD as difference if you support the disability approach
tell people to piss off because you disagree with their point of view
attack one line of a whole argument in an effort to discredit the whole
abuse curebies instead of calmly engaging in debate
abuse non-curebies instead of calmly engaging in debate
ignore the common ground between people with differences of opinion
forget that we are all in this together, fighting for acceptance by the other Planet
think that manners aren't necessary because you disagree with someone


more than 10, sorry. Unity really matters to me. I am tired of the battlelines drawn by factions. A divided house cannot stand...strength is in unity. Peace.



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21 Nov 2014, 5:57 pm

B19 wrote:
dump on the self-diagnosed because you are clinically diagnosed
dump on the clinically diagnosed if you are self diagnosed
forget that we all have suffering in common throughout our lives
dump on the definers of ASD as disability if you support the difference approach
dump on the definers of ASD as difference if you support the disability approach
tell people to piss off because you disagree with their point of view
attack one line of a whole argument in an effort to discredit the whole
abuse curebies instead of calmly engaging in debate
abuse non-curebies instead of calmly engaging in debate
ignore the common ground between people with differences of opinion
forget that we are all in this together, fighting for acceptance by the other Planet
think that manners aren't necessary because you disagree with someone


more than 10, sorry. Unity really matters to me. I am tired of the battlelines drawn by factions. A divided house cannot stand...strength is in unity. Peace.

Thank you, B19.
Just...thank you for being you.


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21 Nov 2014, 6:13 pm

I hope I am seen as one who indulges in "calm debate."

That's my objective: a constant Socratic debate.



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21 Nov 2014, 6:22 pm

You consistently personify goodwill and kindness.



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21 Nov 2014, 6:24 pm

Awww....Thanks so much!

And I think you're swell as well! :D

I'd like to take a trip to New Zealand some day; I've seen pictures of the scenery: Magnificent!

Have you ever read Thomas More's "Utopia?"

The first part of the book deals with an eminently Socratic debate between the author, his best friend, and a sailor who just came back from exploring distant lands. There was satirical content in the discussion--but the NATURE of the discussion is what I seek to model myself after.



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21 Nov 2014, 6:39 pm

Do PM me if you decide to come to New Zealand. I will be happy to advise you on possible itineraries depending on your interests and show you around my city, Auckland. Haven't read Utopia, though I will look at it now.



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21 Nov 2014, 6:45 pm

Auckland has a beautiful climate (one of my "special interests" is the weather of cities from around the world).

Christchurch, on the other hand, occasionally has snow and freezing temperatures. Nothing like New York City, though (the place where I live).

I would be most thankful for your thoroughgoing advice.



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02 Jan 2015, 2:37 am

-Tell someone that they are using their ASD as an excuse for something, when they are merely acknowledging ASD as the source of their problem. The former is used when an individual is not trying to improve, while the latter is used to make the individual feel a little less bad about themselves, and to understand the source of the problem so that they can improve. Invalidating that approach, often incorrectly, can be an unnecessary hindrance to the individual.


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02 Jan 2015, 5:34 am

skibum wrote:
Criticize each other and put each other down.

This.

Deb1970 wrote:
I don't know about 10 things but I know at least one. "Tell someone with AS that there an NT"

And this, whether the person has been diagnosed or not (this is each person's business, whether they want an official diagnosis or not). They know themselves a lot more than you know them. They know what they've been through in their life, and they know why they came to the conclusion that they are autistic/have Aspergers, and they know why it explains pretty much everything they didn't understand about themselves, you don't (because you don't know them).

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Dismiss one's feelings and/or experiences.

And also this.


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02 Jan 2015, 5:35 am

B19 wrote:
dump on the self-diagnosed because you are clinically diagnosed
dump on the clinically diagnosed if you are self diagnosed
forget that we all have suffering in common throughout our lives
dump on the definers of ASD as disability if you support the difference approach
dump on the definers of ASD as difference if you support the disability approach
tell people to piss off because you disagree with their point of view
attack one line of a whole argument in an effort to discredit the whole
abuse curebies instead of calmly engaging in debate
abuse non-curebies instead of calmly engaging in debate
ignore the common ground between people with differences of opinion
forget that we are all in this together, fighting for acceptance by the other Planet
think that manners aren't necessary because you disagree with someone


more than 10, sorry. Unity really matters to me. I am tired of the battlelines drawn by factions. A divided house cannot stand...strength is in unity. Peace.


Agreed.


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02 Jan 2015, 9:19 am

- Post a photo so large that it stops the text wrapping to the window and you have to keep moving the horizontal scroll bar to read it. May have been fixed in the new version, but I thought I'd cite it anyway, as it was very annoying.



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02 Jan 2015, 9:21 am

Say you are self-diagnosis, then attack self-diagnosis.



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02 Jan 2015, 2:46 pm

Don't go against forum rules.
Eberrything else is fine.


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02 Jan 2015, 3:25 pm

Create a sock puppet account to venomously attack people or ideas you don't like