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02 Dec 2014, 2:54 pm

My therapist says it might be psychosis :cry: or a mental illness Thant mimics autism symptoms because I've been hearing voices.

what do you think about what she said?


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02 Dec 2014, 3:24 pm

hearing voices is not an autism symptom so I don't know if that means anything.autism is harder to DX in women/girls so the symtoms are more covert and easier to miss.

see an autism specialist if you can afford one.also what were the original symptoms used to diagnos you


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02 Dec 2014, 3:35 pm

jenisautistic wrote:
My therapist says it might be psychosis :cry: or a mental illness Thant mimics autism symptoms because I've been hearing voices.

what do you think about what she said?
Hearing voices is actually not always linked with psychosis. To better communicate with your therapist, try better describing what it is you are actually hearing, when, and how it makes you feel when you hear it.



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02 Dec 2014, 3:46 pm

jenisautistic wrote:
My therapist says it might be psychosis :cry: or a mental illness Thant mimics autism symptoms because I've been hearing voices.

what do you think about what she said?


I have asperger and autism, but I also have symptoms of psychosis.

You can have both.



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02 Dec 2014, 4:27 pm

Usually hearing voices is a sign of psychosis,
but there is no reason whatsoever that psychosis could not occur in autistic people as well.
Psychosis is a sign that the brain is in complete overload and tries to find ways to process, when normal ways of processing do not work out anymore.
Did you experience any events with a great impact on you lately?
I know someone who has an autistic son and he developped psychosis due to change of school and hitting puberty and not being able to express himself emotionally.
He is still autistic.


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02 Dec 2014, 4:49 pm

Eloa wrote:
Usually hearing voices is a sign of psychosis,
but there is no reason whatsoever that psychosis could not occur in autistic people as well.


In fact, there is good reason to think that while psychosis is rare in autistics, it is much more common in autistics than in the general population--perhaps by as much as 500%. Earlier this year, Dr Lisa Croen presented some relevant results from a study of a large population of autistic adults by the Kaiser Permanente Autism Research Program in California. The rate of psychoses in the control group was less than 2% but was closer to 10% in the ASD group
Please see the first data slide at around 16:30 in the webinar available from SFARI to look at this data
Lisa Croen presentation



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02 Dec 2014, 5:02 pm

Have your "autism" symptoms been present since childhood? How early?

You can be autistic and still hear voices but it won't be an autistic symptom, it would mean you would have two conditions and no one is immune to only having one.


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02 Dec 2014, 5:14 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Eloa wrote:
Usually hearing voices is a sign of psychosis,
but there is no reason whatsoever that psychosis could not occur in autistic people as well.


In fact, there is good reason to think that while psychosis is rare in autistics, it is much more common in autistics than in the general population--perhaps by as much as 500%. Earlier this year, Dr Lisa Croen presented some relevant results from a study of a large population of autistic adults by the Kaiser Permanente Autism Research Program in California. The rate of psychoses in the control group was less than 2% but was closer to 10% in the ASD group
Please see the first data slide at around 16:30 in the webinar available from SFARI to look at this data
Lisa Croen presentation


Thank you, Adamantium, it makes a lot of sense, because an autistic brain is in much more overload-mode than a neurotypical brain regarding processing.
I often read that autistic persons cannot have psychosis, personality disorders, attachment disorders and whatnot, that would not make them autistic anymore, but I find it very wrong, because autistic persons in the first place are human beings and they are even more vulnerable, their brains are even more vulnerable to outside insults.
Saying that autistic persons can only suffer from anxiety and depression as a comorbidity is dehumanizing, but I read it so many times.


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02 Dec 2014, 5:22 pm

jenisautistic wrote:
My therapist says it might be psychosis :cry: or a mental illness Thant mimics autism symptoms because I've been hearing voices.

what do you think about what she said?


I think it takes more than just hearing voices to have psychosis. And like others said, you can be autistic and still experience psychosis. It doesn't rule out autism.



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02 Dec 2014, 5:35 pm

jenisautistic wrote:
My therapist says it might be psychosis :cry: or a mental illness Thant mimics autism symptoms because I've been hearing voices.

what do you think about what she said?



What do you guys think based on my posts for those who remember me. Or those Who look though my posts


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02 Dec 2014, 5:47 pm

Eloa wrote:
Usually hearing voices is a sign of psychosis,
but there is no reason whatsoever that psychosis could not occur in autistic people as well.
Psychosis is a sign that the brain is in complete overload and tries to find ways to process, when normal ways of processing do not work out anymore.
Did you experience any events with a great impact on you lately?
I know someone who has an autistic son and he developped psychosis due to change of school and hitting puberty and not being able to express himself emotionally.
He is still autistic.



I have had kids in school which I think was bullying but it could've been a misunderstanding

Also Some guy in my earth sicence class tried to kiss me and I was called retarded special ed and Ed kid a few times. Also the nurses from the first mental hospital I was in threw me on the floor a few times and stuff.

Also I have not really hit puberty mentally I Guess I have but I dosnt fell like it

What is mental puberty any way? I have trouble expressing myself too I think I'm not sure.


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02 Dec 2014, 7:27 pm

My brother had a psychosis in his late teens. Both of us are still Aspies.


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02 Dec 2014, 7:55 pm

Having psychosis does not preclude autism.
I am diagnosed with Asperger's and at stressful times in my life, have experienced psychotic episodes.


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02 Dec 2014, 8:23 pm

jenisautistic wrote:

What do you guys think based on my posts for those who remember me. Or those Who look though my posts


Though one cannot tell for certain what one's neurology is over a text-based forum, as many autistic people type in a manner similar to that of many non-autistic people, there is nothing in any of your posts that, to me, suggests that you are not autistic; your experiences and thought processes are comparable to other autistic individuals on this forum (though, this being said, people without autism can have these experiences, and, of course, not every person with autism has the same experiences and thought processes).

Also, you are accepted and cherished into this community regardless of what the doctors may write on the paper. You contribute a lot to this website (and wherever else on the internet you may reach), and no differential diagnosis can alter that. I still remember, in fact, a video that you had posted on your second-year anniversary of having been a WrongPlanet member (I think, or something of the sort), in which you were calling other WP users to be proud of themselves and to celebrate their WP-anniversaries as well. The pride and joy for life that you showed in that video always stuck with me.


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02 Dec 2014, 9:21 pm

You can be Autistic and also have...

OCD
Bipolar Disorder
Depression
ADD/ADHD
Schizophrenia

and who knows what else....

Autism is a developmental disorder. You are born at birth with it. Whatever is causing the psychosis is something else other than that.

I don't see one negating the other.

:heart: :heart: :heart: <-----huggles for you.

If the voices are causing you problems, I hope the therapist is helpful. You deserve it! :)

Take care,

Tawaki



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02 Dec 2014, 11:58 pm

I have both AS and Psychosis, and I hear voices from time to time. A lot of the voices are from my childhood and adolescence. I hear some voices from the recent past, but they're far and few between.


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