Are autistic people "better" than "normal" people?

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05 Apr 2015, 2:49 am

I'm thinking about this since some years now, every now and then.
Talking GENERALLY, here, so please don't get a single case if you want to discuss about these my statements.
I would like to hear from you guys and girls your thoughts about it, and if there's any doctor around, his/her opinion is very much welcome as well.

So, generally, the normal person will usually "read" an autistic person as a d*ck, because of a bunch of factors.
First of all we don't show much of our feelings. Then, we usually speak out our thoughts and forget these can hurt people.
We don't do it wishingly, it just happens. When we think just a bit about it, we manage to avoid this behaviour, but we HAVE TO think about it before, while to other people it comes naturally. THIS is the difference.

BUT!

An autistic person is usually a coherent person that is naturally more oriented to THINGS than to PEOPLE.
Now, EXACTLY FOR THIS REASON, in the largest number of cases we don't want to hurt people at all, just because we are not much "interested" in them.
Mostly, we'll treat them as objects as well, and we expect them to react the same way: RATIONALLY.
And here comes the problem.
As normal people aren't that rational usually, exactly because they have as priority the contact with other people, they absorb from society VALUES that are completely alien to us.
They will follow a mode stream, football, soccer, basket, punk, drinking, disco, dancing, motorcycle, cowboys, Star Wars, you name it... while instead, WE don't give a damn about feeling "part of the crowd", no matter what that crowd wants to represent.
But they will also follow more dangerous "modes", such as: religion fundamentalism, military, weapons maniacs, money chasers, career, social success, power.

You see where I'm going now, right?
I'm not a doctor, but all in all, I guess I'm right when I say that, apart the small manias autistic people can have, they do NOT fall into much heavier manias where normal people fall.
And this trait makes of us people MUCH LESS DANGEROUS AND AGGRESSIVE than normal people.

Yes we can become aggressive of course, I'm not saying we are sleeping angels, but we'll usually become aggressive only when provoked, or under stressful situations. We don't PLAN or worship violence in any way. We can only use it when it happens to DEFEND ourselves. In many cases we'll accumulate a lot before exploding.
Anyway, WE DON'T EVER FOLLOW VIOLENCE CULTS OR MODES, that's what I want to say.
I may be all wrong here, but this is how it looks to me, but a doctor can have much better numbers and experiences than me, each critic (possibly with proofs and experiences) is welcome.

So final consideration: I see autistic people much more "innocent" than normal people.
We have our interests that are in most cases unrelated to power, to money, to social success, to career, just simply because that sh*t is exactly something we don't give a damn about, as it's all stuff about PEOPLE, and our interests are more oriented to THINGS.
Things like painting maybe, or counting tiles, or walking in the woods or learning to code, or writing science fiction, or thinking about the nature of the Universe...
Exactly because we don't give a damn about stupid social values where "everybody" is confronting and running, we are out of the race, and thus we are innocuous.

So, is our "race" better than the "normal" "race"?
And if "normal" humanity is so violent and envy and schizophrenic, isn't that a proof that...
HUMANITY IS ALL ILL EXCEPT THAT SMALL FRACTION OF AUTISTIC PEOPLE???

P.s.: this shouldn't even be too difficult to prove.
Placing some few tens or hundreds of AS people working together should give important medic/psychiatric results, and much probably show a "society" where people are much more quiet and in harmony than in the "normal" world.



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05 Apr 2015, 2:51 am

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05 Apr 2015, 2:59 am

Kiprobalhato wrote:
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Are autistic people "better" than "normal" people?


No.


Too bad there are spammers in this forum as well.
I see you are also a moderator.
Don't you feel a little bit in shame for this useless post?

Just to be more clear: I put some time in writing this topic, you put no time in a post that doesn't discuss anything.
I hope you didn't just answer to the topic title, without even reading the discussion.
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05 Apr 2015, 3:25 am

I disagree. Autistic people aren't better than "normal" people. Some people with autism join the military and drink etc too.

There's no "we". Not every person with autism thinks the same way as you do.



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05 Apr 2015, 3:30 am

DarkAscent wrote:
There's no "we". Not every person with autism thinks the same way as you do.


Exactly.

And to answer the question, in some ways Autistics can be better, in some other ways Autistics can be worse.



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05 Apr 2015, 3:43 am

DarkAscent wrote:
I disagree. Autistic people aren't better than "normal" people. Some people with autism join the military and drink etc too.

There's no "we". Not every person with autism thinks the same way as you do.



Seems like you can't catch the point.
I drink too. I sometimes smoke cigar.
But I'm not a maniac of those things.
I.e., I didn't catch up with a group that goes to the pub to get drunk 3 times a week, and I doubt AS people do this usually.
I also watch war movies, sometimes I look for the latest development in weapons, but I'm not joining the army nor any other circle.
I also play war games, but I find difficult to enter a clan.

And you completely miss the psychological point of the topic.
I'm not saying that every AS thinks the same as I do, I didn't write this anywhere.
I wrote instead that IN GENERAL there are some behaviours that unite autistic people (and that should be no news at all) and these traits make them quite different from normal people (and this as well is no news at all) and these traits are maybe making of them better people, less aggressive, less violent, less maniacs.
But here I'm just repeating myself.
If a person doesn't WANT to understand a sentence or the deep meaning of it, there's no way he'll ever understand.
Also, cognitive dissonance is always at work.



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05 Apr 2015, 4:01 am

April Fools was 4 days ago


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05 Apr 2015, 4:03 am

Autistics aren't any better than NTs.

As much as there's bad NTs, there's bad Autistics as well. Good ones too exists in both 'sides'.
In terms of morality, that's really up to their own upbringing and their own view.

If you mean by NTs' likely aggressiveness, that maybe one of their nature; their hardwired social motivation. (Male macho-ness, the concept of 'shame', body language)


But, social motivation and built-in rational thinking and morality are just few of the many tools of a human mind.


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05 Apr 2015, 4:04 am

Norny wrote:
April Fools was 4 days ago


Another one who didn't bother read the post and only just spam.
It seems this is a common trait between AS and normal people.
Sad.



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05 Apr 2015, 4:36 am

No, generally autistics are not better than nts. But also nts are not better than autistics. It just doesn't work like that. Some will be better and others won't.

There's also nothing wrong with joining the military.

And of the things you mentioned that nts really like, I bet a hell of a lot of autistic people have them as special interests. I follow the nhl, it's one of my special interests. Plenty other autistics will also follow sports very obsessively and many nts do as well.

You just can't squish all autistics into one box and all nts into another box and say one is better than the other because that's like saying all black people are better than all white people or vice versa. It just doesn't work.



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05 Apr 2015, 4:41 am

I don't think it's fair to both autism and those without it to compare us in a "who's better" sense - we have our strengths and our weaknesses that can benefit those around us and those that can make us self-destructive. I'm not interested in making myself out to be either superior or inferior to anyone around me either autistic or neurotypical, I simply wish to live the most productive life I possibly can despite being born autistic, and to debate a superiority complex is counter-productive to that goal and to everyone else around me.


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05 Apr 2015, 4:46 am

You can only judge individuals, not groups. So my answer to your question is no.



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05 Apr 2015, 5:37 am

I disagree with everything in the OP. And I did read the whole post, in fact I was glued to it because I wanted to see where it was going.

It's one of those us vs them posts. And Aspies and NTs aren't the only types of people in the population, there are lots of other neurotypes too.
And thirdly, Aspies do not see NTs as objects. I hate when people assume that. And I'm very interested in people; I enjoy gossip, I want to have friends, I like facebook, and certain people have always been special interests of mine.


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05 Apr 2015, 5:43 am

OUTS1DER wrote:
Norny wrote:
April Fools was 4 days ago


Another one who didn't bother read the post and only just spam.
It seems this is a common trait between AS and normal people.
Sad.


I read your whole post (regrettably) but if you'd like I'll go back 4 days into the past and read it again, and possibly view it in good light.


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05 Apr 2015, 6:42 am

OUTS1DER wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
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Are autistic people "better" than "normal" people?


No.


Too bad there are spammers in this forum as well.
I see you are also a moderator.
Don't you feel a little bit in shame for this useless post?

Just to be more clear: I put some time in writing this topic, you put no time in a post that doesn't discuss anything.
I hope you didn't just answer to the topic title, without even reading the discussion.
That would make you very unsuitable for a moderator role.


OUTS1DER wrote:
DarkAscent wrote:
I disagree. Autistic people aren't better than "normal" people. Some people with autism join the military and drink etc too.

There's no "we". Not every person with autism thinks the same way as you do.



Seems like you can't catch the point.
.....

And you completely miss the psychological point of the topic.
.....
But here I'm just repeating myself.
If a person doesn't WANT to understand a sentence or the deep meaning of it, there's no way he'll ever understand.
Also, cognitive dissonance is always at work.


OUTS1DER wrote:
Norny wrote:
April Fools was 4 days ago


Another one who didn't bother read the post and only just spam.
It seems this is a common trait between AS and normal people.
Sad.


OUTS1DER wrote:
I see autistic people much more "innocent" than normal people.
.....
and thus we are innocuous
.....
much more quiet and in harmony than in the "normal" world.



Oh, yeah----I can definitely see where the OP is ALL of those things----NOT!!




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