The NT Has No Clothes

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But, that's just it ... your posts are not opposite to mine. I'm all for learning and gaining perspective. I'm talking about awareness and what is valuable to someone.


I didn't realize it was a popular show amongst autistic people. It's a bit violent for me, but Spencer is a cutie.

I'm going to disagree with the premise of this thread. I don't think we are privy to anything that is not every bit as available to NTs, and I don't think they value all their social behavior as much as a lot of aspies think they do. To go with the Matrix analogy, plenty of NTs take the red pill, plenty of aspies take the blue pill. It comes down to life experience and personality, not neurology.

If anything, I think we might be inclined to see a lot of "NT behavior" (scare quotes required, see above) as useless, vain and superficial when it can actually have a great deal of meaning and beauty. I think there are likely important things we are not able to see, and some of that isn't just personality and experience. Some of it might be hard-wired.

That sounds like someone who is bitter and doesn't want to hear the truth. I'll tell you the same thing I tell everyone including my own Ma when they complain about their "problems". You need to spend some time around some real sick people and stop focusing on yourself. There is always someone out there with far worse problems than you. All it took for my Ma was seeing someone at the doctor's office who didn't have a leg and had to use a prosthetic. I see people like that all the time at work and those people don't even see themselves as having a problem. I had one patient able to walk down the hall quicker than me. Those are people I admire. I don't know if I could even be that strong. Thank you Jesus that I have my legs.

I didn't mean any disrespect by the way. Some people here I just can't understand and some use a lot of big words. I did understand your last response! Thanks for clarifying.

I think it's because most NTs don't realize that the innovation and fact-checking that mainstream culture needs to survive often comes from neurodiverse people and quirky personalities within neurotypicality who rather suck at social niceties like optimism and charm. Love the art, hate the artist, I guess.

Here is a big misunderstanding. The focus is all on what we perceive via our senses in the social and non-social environment. We are not thinking about ourselves but about the concrete world in which we all operate.

Just because I am not frantically running around copying behaviours that I see to my left and right does not mean that I am focused on myself.

There are different ways of coping with the world. No one is saying that anyone lives in a perfect world. But perhaps everyone should be allowed to exercise the coping mechanisms that are tailored to the individual cognitive lens and individual sensitivities, especially if these coping mechanisms cause no harm to anyone.

Whoa...and this is even more off topic. What does any of this have to do with the thread? I don't see anyone else trying to turn this into a competition over who has it worse. Just you.

I find that claim a bit dubious...

Yes, I am aware that you do not have malevolent intentions, and you're more "awake" than average.

I do notice, how-ever, that any threads with NT or neuro-typical in the subject tends to draw you into the discussion like a magnet, but I have to tell you that they are not specifically aimed at you. For that matter, each and every time I looked at these threads, not once did you ever come to mind when I read the complaints (I think it's safe enough to say that you can actually disassociate from the average NT group-identity since even I have difficulty in trying to identify you as being the same as the types of NTs whom we have complaints against). I assure you that your name would have specifically been in the thread-title or thread itself if it was about you, but as you are more "awake" than most NTs, you know and have seen for yourself and should be able to confirm that a lot of these issues are common in the NT societies (not saying that Autistics are immune to doing the same or worse because Monkey See Monkey Do phenomenon over-powered, but on average, NTs will "ostracise" others very quickly with dogmatic-prejudice in comparison to the frequency of it happening in ASD-world).

One particular complaint I have is the fact that many of the average NTs will make automatic-assumptions that you are X or Y for some difference in behaviour or mannerisms, even going so far as to libel and slander you before all of their social-circles and entire communities, and not take any effort, what-so-ever, into investigating any truths or double-checking their facts or claims or even attempting to try to understand you; This is actually the BIGGEST complaint that I have about the typical NTs, not saying that ASDs never do the same, but this kind of biased dogmatic-prejudice is quite common in NT-world, although sometimes I think I have to put up some sort of disclaimer that Angela does not fit into this category in my view, just to make sure that she doesn't end up thinking that I was referring to her in any way, due to her "exception" status for also finding NTs to be less favourable company, otherwise she obviously would not hang around here as much as she does, although our social-interactions are going to be different (by this I mean that NT-dialogues are much more frequently surface-level in the sense that it's like exchanging pamplets around with one another, where-as with ASDs, our dialogues are more like a collection of various pamphlets into magazines or even books sometimes, and we dialogue less frequently but also usually quite in-depth into a subject when we're ready to bother with dialogue).

Also, for the record, some of the messiest people I had ever met or come across were people whom I suspected of also being ASD. The differences in the messes made between NTs and ASDs seems to be that NTs are more likely to scatter everything all over the tables and counters (leaving no work-space available to work with due to all of the clutter), whereas with ASDs, they will scatter everything all over the floor until after they've been forced into enough survival-pressure to make them want to become spotless and professional (that is of course assuming that they do not kill themselves first from being suicidal due to all of the necessary survival-pressure). I have much more I could write or say on these subjects but, before I end this post, I will just say that, when I dialogue with an NT for any kind of continued basis where we communicate with one another regularly, I will usually have a lot for them to read/hear in comparison to how much the NT will have to say in response (although they seem to enjoy my dialogue if I bother to take the time to let an NT be part of my communications/correspondences).

I’m sorry. I don’t follow for some reason. I get that all of this is majorly depressing and frustrating. The part I don’t get is how you say you don’t go on with your life because you must have. If you dwelled on every example of human dysfunction you came across, you would never have done anything. It might be an illusion of going on, but it’s still going on with your life, no?

Take the dysfunctions you mentioned here:
“I feel like I can see all the ugliness that they are able to dismiss. A concrete world where children and the elderly are warehoused so the workers can busy themselves, spirituality fulfilled with products and brand affiliation. Empty salutations, selfishness and broken promises.”

I imagine you must have gone on and did things: called people out on broken promises, left a nursing home after visiting someone, passed by myriad people with way too much brand affiliation, ignored or responded to meaningless greetings, ETC. Either you changed something or you didn’t, and you had to go on, right? Wrong? You’re still thinking about it today, but you did go on, no? I’m so confused. Aren’t other people going on the same way?

Of course, I’m not condoning the people who are creating these dysfunctions in the first place: the status seekers, the government officials who don’t fund community supports, people who don’t keep their promises, ETC. As for empty greetings, they just keep the peace sometimes and don’t really have any other function/dysfunction that I know of, except maybe to show that you recognize someone, do they?

You can't have it both ways, Ban-dodger. If people are going to make sweeping generalizations about NTs, it's not reasonable to expect that Angela wouldn't show up. It is about her, by default.

Note that these sorts of threads rarely say "some NTs" or "most NTs". It's almost always just "NTs".

The deal here is that I know what the OPs meant to say.
It's kind of like when an outsider asks an insider whether he does Kung Fu or Tai Chi;
Well, Tai Chi is a Kung Fu, when what they really mean is in the context of Hard vs Soft-Style.

Fair enough if people want to address what is being discussed. But nurseangela is going off on a tangent about things that aren't relevant to this discussion. I guess she is upset about things that have been said in other discussions and then bringing it here. It's not reasonable for her to derail the thread to complain about things that are off topic and then attack the OP's character for saying it is off topic.

I don't think I derailed the thread at all. All it is another thread b******g about NT's again. I don't see how you guys even carry on with your lives being upset about NT's all the time. It's really beyond me. I think that is what probably takes up most of your energy to be honest.

"also finding NTs to be less favourable company, otherwise she obviously would not hang around here as much as she does,"

Yes, you are right when you say that. The NT's I come in contact with can be asses. However, there are some Aspies here that are that way and that is why I ended up leaving for a week. There are two guys at work who also think they are Aspies, but I treat them the same as I do everyone else. If they piss me off, I stay away until I can tolerate them again. I don't see them as Aspies. I don't like people being categorized as NT and Aspies and then that is how they are seen and thought of. Everyone is their own person. How is separating the two not the same as racism - its groupism.

Ahh...the matrix pill...red...came as a large, jagged suppository for me.