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21 Aug 2016, 6:51 pm

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Also our heatlhcare is great I now pay a twenty dollar copay to see my doctor. If I want to see a specialist like a mental health twenty dollar co pay. Also I get to see my doctor in less than a week instead of months lol

YOUR healthcare may be great, you got lucky- but there are more people in America than just you who matter. you have gold-plated health insurance, that is great, but not all of us are that lucky.



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22 Aug 2016, 12:20 am

And this is why I say I am voting third party.



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22 Aug 2016, 12:23 am

until you have a truly viable 3rd party like in other nations, voting for a third party just spoils it for one or the other dominant party here. for a 3rd party to really work here, it seems we'd need something closer to a parliamentary-type system where a coalition gov't can form. as long as there is no reaching across the aisles here, it just won't work.



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22 Aug 2016, 12:28 am

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until you have a truly viable 3rd party like in other nations, voting for a third party just spoils it for one or the other dominant party here. for a 3rd party to really work here, it seems we'd need something closer to a parliamentary-type system where a coalition gov't can form. as long as there is no reaching across the aisles here, it just won't work.


Maybe this is just my sense of idealism, but I believe that to truly get government reform means stripping ourselves of the traditional views of voting. If I vote for third party and convince one person who then convinces another, then convinces another we might have a chance.

You cannot complain about the status quo and do nothing to fix it. And take none of the liberty or risk to do so. There isn't just Hilary and Trump. And maybe if a third party does win this election, it will make the government take a look of itself and try to figure out why it failed.



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22 Aug 2016, 12:33 am

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Maybe this is just my sense of idealism, but I believe that to truly get government reform means stripping ourselves of the traditional views of voting. If I vote for third party and convince one person who then convinces another, then convinces another we might have a chance.

i'm reminded of the reporter telling adlai Stephenson "you have the votes of all thinking people," to which adlai replied quick as lightning, "yes, but I need a majority to win."

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You cannot complain about the status quo and do nothing to fix it. And take none of the liberty or risk to do so. There isn't just Hilary and Trump. And maybe if a third party does win this election, it will make the government take a look of itself and try to figure out why it failed.

even if jill stein wins, she still will have to work with our balkanized congress. if GOPers blocked 99% of Obama's work, they surely would do similar with Jill.



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22 Aug 2016, 12:38 am

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Maybe this is just my sense of idealism, but I believe that to truly get government reform means stripping ourselves of the traditional views of voting. If I vote for third party and convince one person who then convinces another, then convinces another we might have a chance.

i'm reminded of the reporter telling adlai Stephenson "you have the votes of all thinking people," to which adlai replied quick as lightning, "yes, but I need a majority to win."

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You cannot complain about the status quo and do nothing to fix it. And take none of the liberty or risk to do so. There isn't just Hilary and Trump. And maybe if a third party does win this election, it will make the government take a look of itself and try to figure out why it failed.

even if jill stein wins, she still will have to work with our balkanized congress. if GOPers blocked 99% of Obama's work, they surely would do similar with Jill.


Oh I absolutely agree, Obama was cockblock by the GOP and I have no qualms that they would try to cockblock Jill Stein.

But I still stand by my belief that if a third party wins, it shake the government up enough for them to at least question themselves just a live.

I'm just frustrated with the current system. I don't care about what party anyone belongs to. They have to make intelligent, concise, and logical sense. I would have voted for Bernie, but we all knew where that went.

Trumps a lunatic. And an idiot.

Hilary, I just fear she'll focus on continuing the Orwellian nightmare we all fear



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22 Aug 2016, 12:52 am

re: billary versus The Rump- it is a choice of jumping into a frying pan, or into the fire. it is a negative option choice, if you don't choose one or the other, then somebody else will choose for you. which do you choose?



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22 Aug 2016, 12:53 am

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re: billary versus The Rump- it is a choice of jumping into a frying pan, or into the fire. which do you choose?


I'd still vote third party. I won't be a part of this system.



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22 Aug 2016, 12:58 am

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auntblabby wrote:
re: billary versus The Rump- it is a choice of jumping into a frying pan, or into the fire. it is a negative option choice, if you don't choose one or the other, then somebody else will choose for you. which do you choose?


I'd still vote third party. I won't be a part of this system.

then I regret to inform you that you likely will end up with somebody you won't like in any case. we are trapped in this system, there is no exit until the national character changes, and that won't happen in our lifetime. again, we need a majority of thinking people who vote, and this is not manifest at this time or in the foreseeable future. Bismarck said it in the 19th century but it still applies- "politics is the art of the possible." NOT the optimal. the problem is that there aren't enough americans that want to make it optimal.



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22 Aug 2016, 1:06 am

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re: billary versus The Rump- it is a choice of jumping into a frying pan, or into the fire. it is a negative option choice, if you don't choose one or the other, then somebody else will choose for you. which do you choose?


I'd still vote third party. I won't be a part of this system.

then I regret to inform you that you likely will end up with somebody you won't like in any case. we are trapped in this system, there is no exit until the national character changes, and that won't happen in our lifetime. again, we need a majority of thinking people who vote, and this is not manifest at this time or in the foreseeable future. Bismarck said it in the 19th century but it still applies- "politics is the art of the possible." NOT the optimal. the problem is that there aren't enough americans that want to make it optimal.


I don't think that's certain. Again my idealism. But I want change. I want something to fix itself because I am tired of a blame game. I want solutions and real problem solving. I am done fighting about who is right and who is wrong, what party someone is a part of or not.

I want real solutions. Not BS



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22 Aug 2016, 1:11 am

I useta be an idealist, until Ronnie raygun got elected because I voted third party.



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22 Aug 2016, 1:26 am

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I useta be an idealist, until Ronnie raygun got elected because I voted third party.


I know my idealism is irrational, but I know neither Trump nor Hilary are going to be good presidents. I fear a regime for those who are considered disabled under a Trump presidency. That's a scary possibility. And I know Hilary doesn't have the best interest out there either.

Ones an Orwellian Nightmare and the other does have a mocking comparison to Hitler.



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22 Aug 2016, 1:29 am

there is a difference between benign neglect and malignant hazard. I see in The Rump the same sadists who paddled me as a child to try to make me normal. I don't see that in billary.



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22 Aug 2016, 1:31 am

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there is a difference between benign neglect and malignant hazard. I see in The Rump the same sadists who paddled me as a child to try to make me normal. I don't see that in billary.


Maybe not, but she follows the SJW crowd a bit too closely.



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22 Aug 2016, 1:38 am

i'm a single issue voter, so that clarifies my choice each election.



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22 Aug 2016, 1:43 am

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i'm a single issue voter, so that clarifies my choice each election.


My issue is more assistance and rights for adults with invisible disability, but no one seems to be talking about it or mentioning or bringing it up.