Hollywood's Exclusion of Autistic Actors Highlights its Biggest Diversity Problem: Disability

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17 Mar 2018, 1:43 am

After studying acting and taking classes, I have learned things about it. First of all acting is not just learning lines. Also actors have to use theory of mind and imagine how the character they are playing is thinking and feeling and what their motive is. Autistic people have difficulty with this.

You also need flexibility, you can get a call for a call back so that means drop what you are doing and go in and do the audition again. It is unexpected. Autistic people have troubles with sudden change and interruptions. Also being on the set, you have no idea when you will go home or when you will be done with the scene. You could be on it for 15 hours and still haven't gone home yet. It's unpredictable. Autistic people have troubles with uncertainty and their routines being messed up and different.

Good attitude, yes you basically need good social skills to handle conflicts and difficult people and not react to how they are treating you and the unfairness they are giving you. It can reflect badly on you if you react badly and destroy your acting career because then casting directors wouldn't want to cast you. yes the word spreads in the industry.

Are there aspie actors out there, of course but there are far more normie actors out there than there are with autistic actors. I am guessing they handle all these things or otherwise they wouldn't be in the industry.

Also how casting works is casting directors look for actors who they feel fit the role. If an autistic person doesn't fit the role of another autistic person, they won't cast them. Also they use professional actors, they are not just going to do an open call for all autistic people in the area to portray an autistic character because they want professionals. No one is going to cast a beginner actor with no acting experience in a lead role for a movie or a co star role or even a guest star. The business doesn't work that way. It takes about ten years to get that far in the industry after you begin acting according to Wendy Alane Wright. I am sure that depends on how serious you take it and how hard you work.

Kids that star in TV shows usually started acting in commercials in their toddler years or they started taking acting classes at a theater at a young age and did some plays there before going to film.

I have learned that things we read in the media about actors don't tell the whole story because they always make it look like there is this one normal kid and bam he just got a role in a feature film as the star. No it didn't happen like that. Or when someone gets discovered and they begin acting, we don't hear that they took acting classes or workshops. Only time this ever happens is if you are a baby. They are cute, they don't need to act. They just use them for film. For small children, they don't really need to craft, they are just cute. Then to maintain their acting career, they take classes and do training to keep on doing it and to keep being casted. As you get older, more gets expected out of you in the business. For kid auditions, all they need to do is answer questions you give them like their name and date of birth and about their general life and you send it in. For kids to start acting, all they need to do is recite a commercial and the parent mails it to a talent agent and if they liked how the kid recited it, they represent them. But that doesn't work that way for 18 and up. I think it's easier for a kid to start acting than it is for an adult. You don't just go in and say "I am Beth and I have always wanted to be an actress so i would like to be in a movie please." No, they would just see me as a wannabe actor and send me away politely. I would be seen as an amateur. If I want to act, go take classes, (Wendy says go to theater school) go to workshops, go practice, do plays and community plays, do indie and student films, study. Wannabe actors want to do none of that, they just want to go in and just be handed a part and then bam they do their lines and act, it doesn't work that way. That is what actors call being lazy. Wendy compares that to walking into a hospital and saying "Hi I have always wanted to be a doctor, what floor can I work on to be a doctor, can you put me to work now?" and they had no training in being a doctor and never studied it. Only time you can be on film with no acting experience is being a background actor but guess what, that gives you no acting experience and it won't help you become an actor. You're just treated like cattle and not considered part of the group like actors are. you're just there and then you are shuffled away and put in some room until they need you again. You are not allowed to interact with the actors or any of the crew people. Though i have heard of stories about actors interacting with background actors like Rosie O Donnell kept the extras entertained between filming on A League of Their own set with puppet shows and stuff she did so they wouldn't leave and the crew decided to just pay the extras so they wouldn't leave because it was so hot out. I just read online extras are not allowed to ever leave the set but these people could for A league of Their Own production? I guess every company is different. The one here that casts people for extras is very strict and does not allow it or else the charge you $100 and deactivate your profile. I am not sure if that means they delete you and put you on their blacklist.

It's rare to just sit back and not be doing anything when you get discovered by a casting agent or a talent agent and you just happened to be at the right place at the right time. I read you have a higher chance of winning the lottery than this happening. Most actors have to do the work themselves. But back in the days it used to be if you wanted to be on film, all you had to do was go to the agency and they would sign you in and do a contract and they would cast you and give you training, they don't do that anymore. If you look at old film from the 1930's and 1940s and 1950's, you will see how different acting was then, look at how they craft and express themselves and how they express fear and anger. Now today that would be considered bad acting and not be used for film. It wasn't serious then is why. It was the same with singing too, you want to be a singer, just go in to the talent person and they will put you right to singing. Now you have to do your own work.

So that is why autistic people do not get casted for autistic characters. it doesn't work that way. Is it possible to get casted as an autistic person for an autistic character, yes it is because it's happened before.


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17 Mar 2018, 8:00 am

Personally, I could give 2 pints of sh!t on what happens in Hollyweird. LaLa Land is nothing more than an exploitation machine: they sucker you in, chew you up, then spit you out when you are no longer useful to them.



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17 Mar 2018, 8:26 am

Paddy Consadine is a fantastic actor who has spoken of his aspergers



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08 Jun 2018, 2:22 am

Local actor draws from personal experience with spectrum disorder for upcoming movie Jacob Lince of Culver City takes the lead role in ‘Nathan’s Kingdom’

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Jacob Lince sat back and carefully articulated the personality differences between himself and Nathan, the leading role he plays in the upcoming film “Nathan’s Kingdom.” Lince is calm and relaxed, while Nathan is intense and bizarre. Lince is rational and thoughtful, while Nathan is impulsive and entrenched in his self-invented fantasy world.


Despite the polar differences between Lince and the character Nathan, this new motion picture exploring the relationship between a young autistic man and his sister and their road to survival, the 24-year-old explained his strong connection to the role. At three-years-old, Lince was diagnosed with high-functioning autism.
“I was really grabbed by the story,” Lince said. “I think on a general, ethereal level, that attachment to being someone like me with autism, that really resonated with me a lot.”


The film has its west coast premiere in the Dances With Films Festival on Wednesday at the TCL Chinese Theaters in Hollywood and stars Lince, who lives and was raised in Culver City. “Nathan’s Kingdom” is Lince’s first leading role in a feature film. Lince was cast by filmmaker Oliver Muñoz out of about 200 other actors who were both neurotypical and on the spectrum. Muñoz knew Lince was right for the role after several auditions when he understood Lince would do whatever the role required.
“Jacob is on the spectrum and he’s playing someone on the spectrum who is very different than himself,” Muñoz said. “Jacob fell out of the sky and was the perfect actor to take on this role.”

Lince started acting at age 15 with The Miracle Project in Beverly Hills, a performing arts program for children and adults with autism. He also worked with performing arts groups at Culver City High School, dee-Lightful productions in Culver City and Performing Arts Studio West in Inglewood.

When Lince started auditioning for more professional roles, his parents encouraged him but expected a long and tedious process. “He kept saying, ‘We’ve got to get me out there,’ and I kept saying, ‘You’re going to be auditioning a whole lot before you get anything,’” Victoria Lince said. “Then the first time he auditions he gets a feature film.”

“I hope that I can give inspiration to others on the spectrum,” Lince said. “I think at some point you just have to give it a shot – whatever you want to do, whether it’s acting or just anything else in the world – you just have to start trying to put yourself out there. It can be hard to not worry about what might happen to you, but it’s the journey that really matters, and I think I’ve had a really great experience so far.


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08 Jun 2018, 7:05 am

I remember seeing Splash.....and yeah Daryl Hannah appears to be playing into the pop culture aspect of Asperger's. Take what celebrities say with a grain of salt. Her popularity was during my early dating years. In fact one of my many dates I went on was to see Splash. Had zillions of first dates but nothing past since I was one of those that couldn't handle touch. There's no way in hell that I could've dealt with all the over the top touching and kissing that Daryl was doing in that movie. Sorry guys but I don't find her relatable. Likeable? Incredibly. Quiet and sweet but autistic.....not really.



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08 Jun 2018, 11:09 am

HistoryGal wrote:
I remember seeing Splash.....and yeah Daryl Hannah appears to be playing into the pop culture aspect of Asperger's. Take what celebrities say with a grain of salt. Her popularity was during my early dating years. In fact one of my many dates I went on was to see Splash. Had zillions of first dates but nothing past since I was one of those that couldn't handle touch. There's no way in hell that I could've dealt with all the over the top touching and kissing that Daryl was doing in that movie. Sorry guys but I don't find her relatable. Likeable? Incredibly. Quiet and sweet but autistic.....not really.


Splash came out in 1984 four years before Rain Main and ten years before the Aspergers diagnosis came out in the DSM. So I would find it improbable they had in mind ASD when creating the mermaid. I do not read into the movie anything other then a rom com with cartoon elements.

In this 1989 interview I find her to be more and more uncomfortable and stimmy as the interview went along.
https://youtu.be/8qQkozkn8Cc


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08 Jun 2018, 4:55 pm

I never suggested they has Asperger's in mind when creating Splash. I am saying she could be part of the pop culture phenomenon of people claiming to have Asperger's.

It was just another canned rom com movie I saw on a date.



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08 Jun 2018, 6:59 pm

"Diversity"? oh piss off.

Group think and group identity/ID politics needs to die. It doesnt do anything good. Why the hell push for actors who are autistic? maybe they are really hard to work with? maybe there are other reason why autistics dont get as much work as actors.

Stop putting people into groups. If anyone should understand that we're all unique in our own way, it should be sperg.



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09 Jun 2018, 7:45 pm

Or maybe there is the same percentage of actors who are autistic as any other group of people. How many would be open about it with their image being everything and the AS stigma being what it is? And anyone +35 or female or grown up with tutors not public school would not have been diagnosed unless it was very severe.



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23 Sep 2018, 12:30 am

Meet the aspiring TV star with autism and dyslexia who has landed roles on Vera and Netflix drama

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An aspiring TV star with autism and dyslexia has landed roles in one of ITV’s most popular shows and a Netflix drama.

Alex Gaffney, from Gateshead, has always dreamt of appearing on the small screen, but due to his learning disability and lack of confidence thought he didn’t stand a chance.

Now, the 26-year-old has achieved his ambitions by landing roles in Vera and a pilot for new Netflix drama Two Wolves.

Alex hopes his success can inspire other people with autism and dyslexia so they follow their dreams.

Speaking about his first day on the set of Vera, he said: “It felt like home and I loved it. It was amazing, really, really good.

“I was in the background for Vera and had to react to another person in a cafe, that was my scene. It was really interesting.”

He added: “It [Netflix] was another drama and I’m doing background work. It was a really big deal being part of it.”

After gaining his Ticbox TV accreditation, he was chosen to appear in crime drama Vera and will also appear in series nine next year.

In a bid to inspire others, Alex has created an online vlog sharing skills he picked up while on the Ticbox course.


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26 Sep 2018, 8:54 am

I always thought their biggest discrimination was aging actresses. It seems like every actress in Hollywood is quickly forgotten about once she hits 40 and is no longer considered "appealing", and the only chance she has at keeping her job is by getting so much drastic plastic surgery and botox injections to make herself look like a 30 year old forever.



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25 Nov 2019, 5:59 pm

Omg, it's so stupid



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01 Apr 2021, 2:18 am

I thought Dan Akrode and Daryle Hanna were high functioning autistic



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01 Apr 2021, 3:40 am

I don't care at all if an autistic character is played by a non-autistic actor, as long as the character is treated as a whole person and not a stereotype. If we don't allow that, then we shouldn't allow autistic actors to play non-autistic characters. The whole point of acting is to become someone you are not.

I've at various times played a serial killer, a chef, a senator, a prostitute, an alcoholic, a pornographer, a couple of gay men, a con man, a demon, a duke, a Jew, a blind man, a hotel clerk, a racist thug, an anthropomorphic cat, a psychiatrist, a chess master, a banker, a farmer, a lawyer--all non-autistic. I am none of these things.


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30 Nov 2021, 12:02 am

:ninja: Jesse Eisenberg is out about being autistic .I feel like nobody notices him



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30 Nov 2021, 2:35 am

I never heard of Jesse Eisenberg. I don't spend much time on entertainment, but when I'm looking for actors or any other job, I go by performance, not identity. Affirmative action should be about helping people to prepare for new jobs, not putting up with incompetence just for the sake of diversity. People who assume that discrimination is the only factor in hiring, and successfully argue for inclusion are beset with Dunning-Kruger, and set their own cause back as well as crippling their employers.