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28 Oct 2017, 10:28 am

Social inclusion .One of the buzz words in psychiatry. You feel inclined to say 'Yes please,social inclusion' because that's the kind of thing that's expected as part of a recovery/rehabilitation process. What if you want to have some contact with people every now and then though, because you get bored with your own company, but you are not looking at people getting too close to you?
Of course it might help if I understood the unwritten rules of the game re social interaction and didn't feel it was akin to quantum physics written in Mandarin Chinese. When you are not sure how to be it's mentally draining.

Then there is getting to groups in the first place when you are pathologically phobic about travelling far for fear of getting lost and trapped.



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28 Oct 2017, 11:57 am

The drive for social inclusion. Totally useless if you've never grasped ,or had help with, the 'rules' of social engagement.



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28 Oct 2017, 12:11 pm

firemonkey wrote:
You feel inclined to say 'Yes please,social inclusion' because that's the kind of thing that's expected as part of a recovery/rehabilitation process.


Amen. Instead of asking the person concerned what would help them, they throw cliches at you and expect a neurotypical reaction.
It only seems to heighten the anxiety, because there's no option for what we can do.. only what we cannot.
They're just setting us up to fail.



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28 Oct 2017, 5:06 pm

That buzz word "social inclusion" crops up in a lot of places.

It is as if it will cure all problems because there is a few theories out there that says for the majority of people it is necessary otherwise they become ill.

It is also used to try to fix people because someone, somewhere, decided this would also protect people from becoming unwell.

I find it over-rated and actually can be more detrimental for some especially the neuro-diverse who do not want lots of socialising if it comes with a high cost.



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28 Oct 2017, 5:24 pm

I can be very snarky about the whole "social inclusion" thing. People who tout it as a panacea, without qualifiers, are presupposing quite a bit.

For instance, they're presupposing that all groups are healthy, and that inclusion in them is desirable. This is just not true. Quite a few groups are very unhealthy indeed, and their group cohesion is based as much on hatred of the Outgroup-Of-The-Day (or whoever may be handy as a stand-in) as it is on Identification With Their Cohorts. And that's not dependent on age. You see it in elementary schools, workplaces, and retirement communities.

The kind of group that will genuinely "include" Aspies, to such an extent that we can "come as we are", is going to be a healthy one, whose members think independently, respect diversity, and have insight, including into their own attitudes and behaviors. They're not abundant.


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