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strawberrypie
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21 May 2019, 10:48 am

i have visited many anxiety forums and can relate to them. I do believe social anxiety is a big issue in my life and has always been. I've never heard of Executive Functioning disorder? I'll look it up.

There's another thing i did in school. I walked around the playground alone and reenacted my mum taking her tablets, over and over. It fascinated me at the time, i thought it looked good. Pour the tablets into your hand and take a glass of water. It seems so strange to me now.



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21 May 2019, 11:15 am

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They mentioned alot of things. Because i didn't carry on being assessed with the specialist and didn't get to find out if i had a diagnosis, they'd put in my files something on the lines of, in their opinion its either aspergers or selective mustism.
Everyone i've seen since says they can see signs of selective mutism (and looking back and even now, i can fully relate to it).

The other psychologist said signs of sm, social anxiety, depression. They also mentioned complex trauma (alot of problems at home) and dissociation but when i brought them up towards the end, i was confused once again because they said they were going through lots of suggestions trying to figure out the problem. Conclusion social anxiety, depression and gad. I think they said dissociation was considered because i appeared to not be listening and/or i didn't respond at the time to things, but i brought up what they had said in previous sessions and they realised i had been listening and taking it in afterall. Sometimes i don't realise i've taken in verbal infomation until later on. Its weird.

I agree, no asd, but would get diagnosed as just that, does not make much sense. Perhaps the assessment is flawed, nothing is fault proof.


I had psychological trauma as a child and developed a dissociated disorder on top of my autism.
Based on what you have said, I am guessing you have dissociative issues.
Do you have a feeling of unreality?
Do you have a disconnect with your emotions?
Have you looked into "ontological insecurity"?

In my case, as a result of the dissociative disorder, I didn't develop a normal sense of self.
In other words, I didn't know who I really was, didn't have a personal in-depth value system.

Also, dissociation is a type of hypnotic state.
Do you find you are easily influenced?
Suggestibility is a symptom.
Did you sleep-walk when you were younger?



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21 May 2019, 11:28 am

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I did get a second opinion with another psychologist, but they didn't specialise in aspergers. They said i didn't have aspergers, but if i went for an assessment i'd probably get diagnosed, so if i didn't want the diagnosis not to go.

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So ...Since I Dr. Naturalpliactic declare that you don't have a broken leg, then you don't have a broken leg, even though we both know that every other doctor on the planet would diagnose you as having a broken leg?

So don't go to another doctor if you don't want the diagnosis of having a broken leg? Just keep walking around on that problem legs of yours until falls off, and you keel over?

What kind of moron do you have as a doctor?



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21 May 2019, 11:31 am

I think it is good to step back and ask questions because one can understand things. I think if I had done this in the past my life would be different now. Having said that, I would not want to change my past though many parts of it I would never want to go through again. I mean. School and especially college was difficult. Primary school, despite the difficulties I had when I was punished because the teacher had a disagreement with my mum, and the teacher had me stand in a corner daily and then I was put in a room by myself for the entire year. (She later apologised to my mum and I forgive her. I was five years old, going on six. The teacher has caught some sort of disease or something and wasn't thinking straight. The disagreement had started because my mum who was excellent and gifted had gone over and over my reading books with me, but when I was with the teacher I could not talk much so it looked as if I hadn't dome my homework).
So apart from that year and the first year I was assumed to be thick because I hardly ever spoke unless I really had to, and also at paytimes I would just stand in the corner holding my hands over my ears if it was noisy... The third year onwards in primary school so from the ages of six going on seven and up, I started to catch up and just before I left I had pretty impressive exam results as we had to take exams to see what classes we would end up at the secondary school (Ages 11 to 16) though it was like I was totally in the deep end and struggling all over again! Just got used to things about a year or two before I left and had it all over again in college! I tend to find the first few years a really hard struggle at each school or college I have been in. Then it is as if I slam my foot on the accelerator, let go of the clutch and whizz past most of everyone else as far as learning goes!


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21 May 2019, 11:32 am

I don't think its dissociation. I think its anxiety more than anything. I guess i'll go for an assessment or i won't. Like mentioned only a professional can make a decision as to a diagnosis. Right or wrong.

I am fully aware people are talking to me at the time and i do take in some things they say. Its just like they speak too fast and i struggle to take it in and understand it in time. I end up going home from appointments with only a small amount of what was said in my head. I go home and think, what did they say for me to do etc.
I even go to say the receptionist straight away and forget or realise i haven't a clue what i'm supposed to tell them. Its got to be anxiety i suppose. It never goes away. I can't have an independent life because of it.



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21 May 2019, 11:36 am

Yes. Mind blank situations. I have recently started taking my Mum with me as when I see a doctor or something like that and I am nurvous, I come out not remembering much and not able to open up to say what I went in for. Also waiting rooms are stressful. I don't mean there is anything wrong with the room or the people in it, but for me I can be on edge.


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21 May 2019, 11:41 am

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strawberrypie wrote:
I did get a second opinion with another psychologist, but they didn't specialise in aspergers. They said i didn't have aspergers, but if i went for an assessment i'd probably get diagnosed, so if i didn't want the diagnosis not to go.

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So ...Since I Dr. Naturalpliactic declare that you don't have a broken leg, then you don't have a broken leg, even though we both know that every other doctor on the planet would diagnose you as having a broken leg?

So don't go to another doctor if you don't want the diagnosis of having a broken leg? Just keep walking around on that problem legs of yours until falls off, and you keel over?

What kind of moron do you have as a doctor?




Haha, it was a psychologist at the time (nhs) and they were actually very good in many respects. I learned alot about my other struggles (at home). I will never know if they actually thought i didn't have aspergers because my anxieties could be explained through other things or they thought it would be detrimental to me because i was adament at the time i was not on the autistic spectrum. I need other issues addressed that would have been dismissed with a diagnosis such as that (problems at home).



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21 May 2019, 11:47 am

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I think it is good to step back and ask questions because one can understand things. I think if I had done this in the past my life would be different now. Having said that, I would not want to change my past though many parts of it I would never want to go through again. I mean. School and especially college was difficult. Primary school, despite the difficulties I had when I was punished because the teacher had a disagreement with my mum, and the teacher had me stand in a corner daily and then I was put in a room by myself for the entire year. (She later apologised to my mum and I forgive her. I was five years old, going on six. The teacher has caught some sort of disease or something and wasn't thinking straight. The disagreement had started because my mum who was excellent and gifted had gone over and over my reading books with me, but when I was with the teacher I could not talk much so it looked as if I hadn't dome my homework).
So apart from that year and the first year I was assumed to be thick because I hardly ever spoke unless I really had to, and also at paytimes I would just stand in the corner holding my hands over my ears if it was noisy... The third year onwards in primary school so from the ages of six going on seven and up, I started to catch up and just before I left I had pretty impressive exam results as we had to take exams to see what classes we would end up at the secondary school (Ages 11 to 16) though it was like I was totally in the deep end and struggling all over again! Just got used to things about a year or two before I left and had it all over again in college! I tend to find the first few years a really hard struggle at each school or college I have been in. Then it is as if I slam my foot on the accelerator, let go of the clutch and whizz past most of everyone else as far as learning goes!


I went back to college later on in life to re-do my gcses. I knew people thought i must be thick or stupid in lessons because i couldn't answer questions on the spot, i was super anxious to speak and join in group discussions. I appeared to not have a clue what i was doing most of the time. But i excelled in English while others struggled (even though i missed tones of lessons at first for fear of the presentation part) and i was told i was one of the ones who did really well in the exams. I don't think it was expected of me. I didn't do too well in school, i just wanted to leave and couldn't concentrate at all.



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21 May 2019, 11:50 am

If NHS provides your healthcare I understand it is just a matter of lining up a doctor with the right expertise and waiting in line for an evaluation. Which is a lot more practical than in the USA where a diagnosis as an adult will easily run 1000 euros out of pocket.

A US health insurance policy that covers autism diagnoses for adults is very unusual.



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21 May 2019, 11:54 am

Totally understand that.

Mind you, when I was in college I had such a difficult time that I just wasn't that interested in the work or the exams. I mean... I was and I wasn't. I failed the exams passing only half of it and walked away not wanting to go back.


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21 May 2019, 11:59 am

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If NHS provides your healthcare I understand it is just a matter of lining up a doctor with the right expertise and waiting in line for an evaluation. Which is a lot more practical than in the USA where a diagnosis as an adult will easily run 1000 euros out of pocket.

A US health insurance policy that covers autism diagnoses for adults is very unusual.


I know. The nhs is very good system, but its struggling. The mental health care is very poor and its getting worse. I saw psychologists in the past (the aspergers specialist was actually a private psychologist who was helping out the mental health nhs service at the time as they were short of psychologists) but now its really difficult to get seen by one and instead you get psychological wellbeing practitioners who do really basic therapy, short sessions and only about 4 or 6. The service is priding itself on a quantity over quality basis.
I'm not sure the doctor would refer me for assessment, which is what would have to occur now as there's no way i'd see a psychologist anymore without a good enough reason. (i was recommend long term cbt therapy but there is none available where i live).



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21 May 2019, 12:14 pm

I am on the list to be checked. It took me two years to pluck up the courage to ask my doctor (Mind blank each time I tried) and doctor said not to get my hopes up as it was up to the referral team if they accepted me. They did. Is about a 14 month wait now here as we have had a new unit open up as prior to that people were waiting for many years.


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21 May 2019, 12:15 pm

Are there professionals who work with autistic children in your area? They may be willing to give you a quick opinion of whether you are on the spectrum or not.



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21 May 2019, 12:20 pm

i don't know. I assume there is child assessment people near me. I haven't looked. First step is the doctors if i so wish to persue it this time. If its only social anxiety, then its had a real impact on my life from day one. And its seen as, oh that's easily cured. Well its not for me.



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21 May 2019, 12:35 pm

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i don't know. I assume there is child assessment people near me. I haven't looked. First step is the doctors if i so wish to persue it this time. If its only social anxiety, then its had a real impact on my life from day one. And its seen as, oh that's easily cured. Well its not for me.


Well. Here is a plan. Ask your doctor to be referred for an assessment. The not knowing in your life may be worse in the long run then being assessed, so whichever way the assessment goes, at least you will have peace of mind. If your doctor does not think you need an assessment, then ask the reasons why. I found I had to bring my mum in with me to the doctors just to pluck up the courage to ask! The theory being that if my mind went blank, or I resorted to a default setting where I tend to talk about other symptoms unrelated, my mum could speak instead. I know it is a little embarrassing. But I was that desperate after two years of clamming up! And I had learned that there just maybe a link between the spectrum and energy loss so it really spurred me on.


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21 May 2019, 12:41 pm

Maybe what you need is what is available in the USA when you have a stroke or serious car accident in the USA and have private insurance that will pay for therapists 5 days a week. You can have daily therapy several times a day by a professional as long as the insurance will pay for it!

This is why rich people in the USA are against Universal Healthcare. If everyone has healthcare there won't be enough doctors and therapists to provide for the care the rich get right now.