*trainig for first responders & ER staffs - please help*
I just got off the phone with someone at Autism Society national headquarters. I have been looking at some of the training videos that Autism Society state chapters (in the US) put together to train police officers and first responders about Autism and I noticed that no Autistic people are actually doing the training. I spoke to the lady and told her that the videos are good but they are still very basic and that they need to go to the next level to be able to understand concepts that only Autistics can teach, not nts or parents of Autistics. She agreed and wants to help me make this happen. I am excited because it can be a game changer for us if we start to have a real voice that is heard and respected. But I can only speak for myself and from my own experiences so I want everyone here who is able and willing to participate so that we can all have a voice and all be represented in this effort. I will make threads that I think are important and I would love for as many people to respond as possible. I will put asterisks (*) in the titles like I did on this thread. Please respond with your thoughts and experiences.
Please also create your own threads of topics that are important to you that you want police, hospital, and crisis workers to understand to help them be with us better and create safer and more helpful experiences for all of us. Please also use the Asterisks in the titles so that I know that the threads are for this project. No matter what your functioning levels are or no matter your ages, please participate, even if you are not in the US. I want them to hear from as many of us as possible. It is very important that we all have a voice so that we can all be represented. We must lead the way in teaching people how we want to be treated. This could be a great opening for us to do that.
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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph
Last edited by skibum on 18 Jun 2019, 9:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Please also create your own threads of topics that are important to you that you want police, hospital, and crisis workers to understand to help them be with us better and create safer and more helpful experiences for all of us. Please also use the Asterisks in the titles so that I know that the threads are for this project. No matter what your functioning levels are or no matter your ages, please participate, even if you are not in the US. I want them to hear from as many of us as possible. It is very important that we all have a voice so that we can all be represented. We must lead the way in teaching people how we want to be treated. This could be a great opening for us to do that.
Yay!!
What a brilliant idea, skibum!! I'll help as much as I can. If you start a topic or conversation I'm sure I'll have something to add. Right now I'm still thinking of my stroke story, in terms of a medical experience. I could share quite a bit about being an adult woman assessed just last year, and all the hurdles I faced on that journey. I'll sharpen my pencil and get writing.
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Can a mod please correct how I spelled training in the title so I don't look like a complete moron?:D
Isabella, I actually shared your story with the lady and with the people at my hospital. They were so moved. I think your story really showed them how critical it can be when we are misunderstood. It really moved both women that I spoke to to be serious about taking action and hearing our stories. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.
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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph
Isabella, I actually shared your story with the lady and with the people at my hospital. They were so moved. I think your story really showed them how critical it can be when we are misunderstood. It really moved both women that I spoke to to be serious about taking action and hearing our stories. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.

Anytime! I have more experiences to share, too!
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I never give you my number, I only give you my situation.
Beatles
Isabella, I actually shared your story with the lady and with the people at my hospital. They were so moved. I think your story really showed them how critical it can be when we are misunderstood. It really moved both women that I spoke to to be serious about taking action and hearing our stories. Thank you so much for sharing it with us.

Anytime! I have more experiences to share, too!

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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph
Great idea! Could you please post links to some of the already-existing training videos so we can comment on them?
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Thank you Mona
Here are the links to the YouTube first responder videos that I have watched so far. Not all of them are by the Autism Society but some of them are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKUvcJVGHgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtDRIYslWXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIflwT7Thpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNBV66MLGXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnua3jeek30
If any of you know of more, please post the links as well.
Thank you
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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph
I am slightly concerned that I have started two threads so far to give us an opportunity to create training programs for first responders and medical staffs and to be able to teach them what we want them to learn as far as interacting with us, and there have been over a hundred views combined and only a couple of people have responded. I am going to pursue this opportunity and do everything I can to make this project happen so that we can have a significant voice in training these people. I want as many of you as possible to have the say that you all deserve. But if no one chooses to participate, do not be upset if I go forward with trying to create these programs and your views are not represented. I can only speak from my own experiences. We love to complain about how badly people treat us and now that a door has opened that could possibly make a change in that, only a couple people seem interested in trying to make it go. I am actually pretty disappointed by this because it is taking me a huge effort to try to help our community in this way. I will do everything I can to do whatever I am able to do but I need help. I cannot speak for you guys. If you don't want to participate, don't complain when hospitals and police officers abuse you.
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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph
I've given this a lot of thought.
First responders should be trained in being as gentle as possible with people in crisis, and to lessen the sensory aspect of the emergency room experience.
But there is also an element wherein a person might, all of a sudden, become violent. This happens in emergency room situations. I find this causes an overly defensive attitude amongst emergency room personnel. Sort of like shooting to kill because somebody displayed a gun.
Training would be useful, and is essential. But I wouldn't make first responders feel like they are crappy NT's who don't understand autism.
Thank you for your response Kratie, I totally appreciate what you are saying. I have no intention of making anyone feel like a crappy nt. I am not that kind of person. My goal is to help them expand their "tool boxes" and skills so that they have a broader understanding of the different types of scenarios that they might encounter in order to make their interactions with us safer for all parties involved.
Sharing our experiences with them and giving them an understanding of how we feel in these situations will help them see from a broader perspective. It will allow them the opportunity to choose a different course of action that would be less traumatizing for us. The only way they can learn to widen their perspectives is if we teach them what it feels like to experience these situations from our perspective. It's not about laying blame or making anyone feel crappy. it is about learning teaching in order to get a better outcome especially in the area of safety and trust building. I want for us to be able to trust them and for them to learn that we can also be trusted when we do not feel threatened.
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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph
I like the philosophy of autistic people and neurotypicals "meeting halfway."
I work in a criminal justice capacity---but not specifically in criminal justice. I have seen people who seem autistic being abused by law enforcement officers. This might be the moral problem of the officers at times----but, I believe at least some officers (and autistic people) would benefit from specific training for dealing with an autistic person in the midst of a meltdown or a shutdown.
Hospital story:
I was referred for a diagnostic sleep study with a sleep lab in my hospital. It was the type of study where you stay overnight and have multiple wires attached to your body and your head. The room itself was in a quiet area of the hospital reserved for sleepers, but the room itself was obviously unfamiliar to me. I was allowed to bring my own pillows but the mattress was uncomfortable, the lighting was skewed by machinery, the machines occasionally beeped, I could hear people going up and down the hallway albeit quietly, and I was being watched on camera with technicians asking me random questions as I tried to fall asleep.
I have extremely picky sleep requirements concerning my sensory needs, as well as night terrors from PTSD (I wrote five full pages about sleep needs in my ASD developmental history). I found it extremely difficult / stressful to sleep in this environment with so many wires that I couldn't roll over, move left / right, lift my arms or assume a comfortable position. I thrashed around in duress for over two hours and couldn't sleep, at which time they were telling me that if I didn't fall asleep at all it would take several months to reschedule. I had a panic attack, burst into tears, and tried to pull some of the wires off because of sensory overload. I understand that the wires are necessary and I can't fault the procedure, but my sensory needs were not understood or accommodated in the study. (For example, my sensory needs are just as relevant when I'm at home, and my sensory needs lead to sleep deprivation just as much when I'm home if they are not accommodated). The staff were annoyed by my meltdown and condescending about the fact I "should be able to" ignore the wires and beeps and hard mattress. They pressed me to talk when I was in shutdown mode and I had gone mute.
Fast forward, I eventually calmed enough to sleep a little and the test was completed, although I was very upset and embarrassed about how I'd been treated.
My results were in keeping with most autistic sleep studies (poor REM and Delta sleep, hyper vigilance, extended period of falling asleep, no restorative sleep). I was also assessed with apnea and told to use a CPAP. I was shocked by the complexity of the CPAP which not only involved wearing a full gas mask type of apparatus, but it also produced a scent from the oxygen, and a slight sound while operating. I was told to wear the CPAP (as well as my usual blindfold, my usual earplugs, my usual mouth guard for bruxism along with the giant hose coming out of my face and attaching to a machine such that I couldn't roll around). It was overwhelming to have my face so covered, like claustrophobia, because of the machine and my blindfold and not being able to hear with earplugs.
I tried the CPAP for almost two months to no avail, with sensory panic attacks because of the overwhelm. I was never able to sleep with the CPAP on and I always pulled it off after several hours of trying, crying, and going into meltdown or shutdown. I knew it was in my best interest to persevere for medical reasons, but it was impossible for me to wear the thing.
I had to go back to the sleep study at the hospital to be monitored a second time while using the CPAP machine, for comparison. I knew that I would have extreme difficulty being wired again but now having the added burden of a gas mask on my face with the blindfold, ear plugs and mouth guard I required for sensory safety. You can imagine the meltdown I had when the wires were attached along with this get-up. I tried in vain to relax myself because I didn't want to be embarrassed or misunderstood, like I was during the previous study.
This time I just couldn't do it at all and I had such a meltdown I trashed the room. I threw the CPAP off and pulled off wires while also throwing whatever was around me, and collapsing in hysteria. The nurses came in, undid me, walked me to a little room, and suggested I had schizophrenia because of my outburst. I do not have schizophrenia and I was insulted by their insensitivity. Again, they were condescending because I cried and objected to their misunderstanding. They implored that schizophrenia was possible because I occasionally hear sounds that aren't "really there" when I'm waking or falling asleep. I know I am not schizophrenic, I've been assessed for mental illness and I do not have that condition.
In the final sleep study report the specialist doctor (a Respirologist) confirmed to me that I AM NOT SCHIZOPHRENIC (thank you, doctor!) The random sounds I hear are a sleep disorder known as hypnagogia and hypnopompia, which are clinical sleep disorders. He was able to record them during the study and explain these phenomena to me, and he identified other sleep disorders I have always suffered. He was quite knowledgable and compassionate, but unfortunately he wasn't present to reassure me through the harrowing tests. He apologised for the poor treatment of his staff, and the sensory overload I experienced without compassion. He advised me to stop using the CPAP even though I have apnea, because the risk (not sleeping, panic attacks, sensory overload, melt down, emotional fraught), would do more damage to my health that leaving the apnea untreated. I was glad to surrender the CPAP but it's worrisome to know that I'm sleeping with untreated apnea because my sensory needs couldn't be accommodated by the manufacturers of CPAP machines. I'm at risk of dying from apnea because the machine made a smell, a noise, and was too cumbersome for my sensory tolerance.
I wish there were other ways for autistic people to be tested for sleep disorders, or to be treated if they do indeed require a CPAP machine.
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I never give you my number, I only give you my situation.
Beatles
Last edited by IsabellaLinton on 19 Jun 2019, 11:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
This sort of hospital environment is a nightmare for someone who is sensory-sensitive.
You have no idea. Add in my experience with trauma and PTSD, and the situation of being restrained with wires and face masks was a nightmare waiting to happen.
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I never give you my number, I only give you my situation.
Beatles
I work in a criminal justice capacity---but not specifically in criminal justice. I have seen people who seem autistic being abused by law enforcement officers. This might be the moral problem of the officers at times----but, I believe at least some officers (and autistic people) would benefit from specific training for dealing with an autistic person in the midst of a meltdown or a shutdown.
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"I'm bad and that's good. I'll never be good and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me."
Wreck It Ralph