The autistic brain and seeing the truth.

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01 Apr 2018, 1:26 pm

What is it about the autistic brain and the ability to see the truth? Ever since I was really young I’ve had the ability to see things for what they are. It’s usually around events,or situations or things I’m being told. My brain tells me this isn’t right and comes up with a more logical explanation, it can sometimes be in the face of a lot of opposition, then somewhere down the line it turns out my initial thoughts turn out to be the correct ones. Is anyone else like this? What is the most reasonable explanation.



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01 Apr 2018, 1:48 pm

Logic follows a rigid set of rules and doesn’t always explain everything. Being autistic may enable some to perceive the world from a different POV, but everybody experiences their own observations and therefore different truths to what is happening.


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01 Apr 2018, 2:08 pm

This is interesting because I think a lot of my issue with socialising with NTs is being honest, even with people about how THEY feel I can sometimes say too much without realising I shouldn't have said anything at all.

I don't know what it is but sometimes it can make me feel very uncomfortable to see the meta-truth in things on a social level. To notice or see things I'm not necessarily aloud to talk about.


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18 Jul 2020, 6:04 pm

When I think deeply about things I can sift through and suss things out, but it takes time. If I had time on my hands, I would probably be a good detective, as I have found all sorts of things through sifting through all the evidence. Somehow many people don't seem to be able to think deeply about things.


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18 Jul 2020, 6:27 pm

I think I have that ability too. I'm not sure what the source of it is, but I think that as people who are on the spectrum we are less likely to be distracted or led astray by the opinions or influence of others because we don't have that innate urge to go along and get along like NTs usually have, so we can separate the empirical truth from other people's opinions and perceptions.



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18 Jul 2020, 6:38 pm

I think that being an outsider you can see the things that other people wouldn't because they are too involved in society. I don't think it's an autistic thing as much as a being different thing. and Also attention to detail definitely helps you look into something and see what others don't. Being removed from the system you have a unique opportunity to see the system for what it really is in from and unbiased viewpoint. That being said, I'm not entirely sure its' the neurology aspect. I'm sure if NTs were the abnormal ones they'd see it the same way.


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18 Jul 2020, 6:40 pm

I do see things as it is.

My problem lies with how I express and describe things as it is -- on top of recalling it.



My instincts will say 'roundly bended metal with colored plastic coatings' -- and it takes more processing for me to say it's a 'paperclip'.

Small and subtle in basics -- but it constantly accumulates into something big and significant.
Just like how few milliseconds of reaction time can be as significant as life and death.


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18 Jul 2020, 7:40 pm

Aspies have unconventional beliefs more often due to being noncomformist by nature. Unconventional views tend to be self-reinforcing for psychological reasons. So the autistic brain might be more stubbornly convinced that it sees the truth, but as for that odd myth of the insightful Aspie...I've never seen it. Most Aspies I've known are rather clueless, and that includes myself in most contexts where I lack extensive experience. It is true, however, that we are often more literal. And the literal interpretation might be "more accurate" sometimes but it's not always closer to the "truth."

For example, in chemistry I made an unusual but kind of silly mistake by taking the term "uncertain digits" literally and seriously confused my professor by asking why you couldn't say that a measurement of 0.5000 mL had four uncertain digits instead of 1 (the correct answer). I've never seen anyone so utterly bewildered by a question. He had no idea where I'd gotten that idea because it hadn't occurred to him to take the definition in the textbook literally. Was my interpretation more "true"? No, it was just more literal, which doesn't automatically translate to being more accurate. In other contexts, my literalness did point me in the right direction even when no one understood my perspective. So it's all a matter of context and perspective.


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18 Jul 2020, 7:45 pm

Ah yes, There's also the problem of who determs who's view point is more truthful. I mean everyone think they see the truth regardless of whether or not they are actually seeing the truth. he truth is based on your perspective.


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18 Jul 2020, 9:03 pm

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Ah yes, There's also the problem of who determs who's view point is more truthful. I mean everyone think they see the truth regardless of whether or not they are actually seeing the truth. he truth is based on your perspective.
Sure, there are some instances in which different people can see the same thing in different ways and they are all correct, each person is just looking at it from a different perspective (as in, is the glass half full or half empty?), but it's a dangerous slope to say that truth is based on perspective. There are many things that are empirically either true or false. Many people who have reason to lie, or have been led astray by those who have reason to lie, just say things that are plainly false. This has become very apparent in recent months with many people saying and believing things about how COVID is transmitted, and how the situation should be handled by public officials, that are absolutely false and are endangering public health.



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19 Jul 2020, 12:13 am

Yes I think it's possible that autism makes us more likely to cut through hype. Truth might be somewhat relative, but the guarded language of science is rather more immune to that trap than the subjective flip-flopping of everyday communication. And even if in pursuing the truth we never completely get there, lies and distortion are demonstrable, palpable things that can often be detected with a very high degree of certainty. One thing I know is that it's possible to be a lot more objective than the average person. I'm frequently disgusted by the crap that gets passed off as genuine communication in mainstream society, and I have trouble understanding why anybody with even half a brain bothers to take it in. Politicians and ad-men come out with the most horrendous distortions, and it's deemed to have an effect, i.e. people actually listen to them. What's that about? Is their intelligence not insulted? Do they think it's OK to lie?



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19 Jul 2020, 1:32 am

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Ah yes, There's also the problem of who determs who's view point is more truthful. I mean everyone think they see the truth regardless of whether or not they are actually seeing the truth. he truth is based on your perspective.
Sure, there are some instances in which different people can see the same thing in different ways and they are all correct, each person is just looking at it from a different perspective (as in, is the glass half full or half empty?), but it's a dangerous slope to say that truth is based on perspective. There are many things that are empirically either true or false. Many people who have reason to lie, or have been led astray by those who have reason to lie, just say things that are plainly false. This has become very apparent in recent months with many people saying and believing things about how COVID is transmitted, and how the situation should be handled by public officials, that are absolutely false and are endangering public health.

WHO decides what is the truth and what is the lie. The majority? In that case would we be seeing the truth? the TRUTH IS A LIE.


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19 Jul 2020, 2:01 am

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Pieplup wrote:
Ah yes, There's also the problem of who determs who's view point is more truthful. I mean everyone think they see the truth regardless of whether or not they are actually seeing the truth. he truth is based on your perspective.
Sure, there are some instances in which different people can see the same thing in different ways and they are all correct, each person is just looking at it from a different perspective (as in, is the glass half full or half empty?), but it's a dangerous slope to say that truth is based on perspective. There are many things that are empirically either true or false. Many people who have reason to lie, or have been led astray by those who have reason to lie, just say things that are plainly false. This has become very apparent in recent months with many people saying and believing things about how COVID is transmitted, and how the situation should be handled by public officials, that are absolutely false and are endangering public health.

WHO decides what is the truth and what is the lie. The majority? In that case would we be seeing the truth? the TRUTH IS A LIE.
Nope, not the majority. It's determined by a consensus of people who have extensive knowledge about the particular subject or event in question. The truth is extremely important. It is imperative not to be lackadaisical about it and say that it is subjective. (In cases where the truth cannot be determined by the best available objective means, we are left with the best educated guess, but that is far from saying that there is no truth.)



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19 Jul 2020, 3:08 am

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Nope, not the majority. It's determined by a consensus of people who have extensive knowledge about the particular subject or event in question. The truth is extremely important. It is imperative not to be lackadaisical about it and say that it is subjective. (In cases where the truth cannot be determined by the best available objective means, we are left with the best educated guess, but that is far from saying that there is no truth.)


Don't fall into the trap of turning a panel of experts into a sanctified priesthood.

More importantly, beyond scientific study, there is the truth of the matter at hand in social settings, and mass social denial of truth to appease social order. The Emperor's New Clothes comes to mind.



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19 Jul 2020, 4:14 am

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Aspies have unconventional beliefs more often due to being noncomformist by nature. Unconventional views tend to be self-reinforcing for psychological reasons. So the autistic brain might be more stubbornly convinced that it sees the truth, but as for that odd myth of the insightful Aspie...I've never seen it. Most Aspies I've known are rather clueless, and that includes myself in most contexts where I lack extensive experience. It is true, however, that we are often more literal. And the literal interpretation might be "more accurate" sometimes but it's not always closer to the "truth."

For example, in chemistry I made an unusual but kind of silly mistake by taking the term "uncertain digits" literally and seriously confused my professor by asking why you couldn't say that a measurement of 0.5000 mL had four uncertain digits instead of 1 (the correct answer). I've never seen anyone so utterly bewildered by a question. He had no idea where I'd gotten that idea because it hadn't occurred to him to take the definition in the textbook literally. Was my interpretation more "true"? No, it was just more literal, which doesn't automatically translate to being more accurate. In other contexts, my literalness did point me in the right direction even when no one understood my perspective. So it's all a matter of context and perspective.


This!!


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Yes I think it's possible that autism makes us more likely to cut through hype. Truth might be somewhat relative, but the guarded language of science is rather more immune to that trap than the subjective flip-flopping of everyday communication. And even if in pursuing the truth we never completely get there, lies and distortion are demonstrable, palpable things that can often be detected with a very high degree of certainty. One thing I know is that it's possible to be a lot more objective than the average person. I'm frequently disgusted by the crap that gets passed off as genuine communication in mainstream society, and I have trouble understanding why anybody with even half a brain bothers to take it in. Politicians and ad-men come out with the most horrendous distortions, and it's deemed to have an effect, i.e. people actually listen to them. What's that about? Is their intelligence not insulted? Do they think it's OK to lie?


And this!!


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