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29 Sep 2020, 2:24 pm

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... Your list has many undiagnosed people on it including Vladimir Putin who rose to be a KGB chief and president of Russia (who knows what he had to do and deal with for that one) and one as old as the hills Bill Gates.  Most are also historical figures who lived before our time and autistic traits can easily be misdiagnosed even today, they even claimed Donald Trump’s son is autistic when he’s not.  There’s all sorts of things that can be misdiagnosed as ASD trauma, abuse, historical context, depression and brutalization to name a few.  Most aspies who are diagnosed late suffer some type of breakdown or mental health crisis usually in the teens.  The absence of such in an adults life is a big clue that the person doesn’t have ASD, or the symptoms are so mild they barely are worth claiming.  There is a danger of unrealistic expectations by claiming we have special powers...
What seems to be in operation is the process of reaching a conclusion first, and then gathering 'evidence' to support that conclusion.  This is much like declaring a defendant 'guilty' and then gathering evidence to convict them.

Actually, science proposes an idea and then seeks to prove it. Just one example, https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/testing-ge ... ears%20ago. If is false that science has no ideas until proven.


Basically, you have a theory you like and are pushing the evidence in favour of it while ignoring the evidence against it.

Conspiracy theorists do this, someone can give a one-sided explanation of the UFO phenomenon, ignoring other explanations and someone might think an alien invasion is imminent. There`s a tv show called ancient aliens that actually does this, its entertaining but it’s extremely biased after a few shows you realise it’s a lot of nonsense.

There`s lots of explanations for unusual behaviour over the centuries.

The past was a brutal place, many were traumatised, sexual abuse was common and ignored, people witnessed death of loved one’s death on a frequent basis, some of your siblings were expected to die in childhood. Diet was poor most people had vitamin deficiencies, water could be contaminated so only alcohol like beer & wine were trusted drinks a lot of the time so most people were in various states of intoxication much of the time, inc pregnant women (wonder what the long-term brain effects of that was).

There was no tv, fashion or print media, so no template of how a normal person behaves like today where there’s kind of a social norm that people follow.


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29 Sep 2020, 2:34 pm

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... Your list has many undiagnosed people on it including Vladimir Putin who rose to be a KGB chief and president of Russia (who knows what he had to do and deal with for that one) and one as old as the hills Bill Gates.  Most are also historical figures who lived before our time and autistic traits can easily be misdiagnosed even today, they even claimed Donald Trump’s son is autistic when he’s not.  There’s all sorts of things that can be misdiagnosed as ASD trauma, abuse, historical context, depression and brutalization to name a few.  Most aspies who are diagnosed late suffer some type of breakdown or mental health crisis usually in the teens.  The absence of such in an adults life is a big clue that the person doesn’t have ASD, or the symptoms are so mild they barely are worth claiming.  There is a danger of unrealistic expectations by claiming we have special powers...
What seems to be in operation is the process of reaching a conclusion first, and then gathering 'evidence' to support that conclusion.  This is much like declaring a defendant 'guilty' and then gathering evidence to convict them.

Actually, science proposes an idea and then seeks to prove it. Just one example, https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/testing-ge ... ears%20ago. If is false that science has no ideas until proven.


Basically, you have a theory you like and are pushing the evidence in favour of it while ignoring the evidence against it.

Conspiracy theorists do this, someone can give a one-sided explanation of the UFO phenomenon, ignoring other explanations and someone might think an alien invasion is imminent. There`s a tv show called ancient aliens that actually does this, its entertaining but it’s extremely biased after a few shows you realise it’s a lot of nonsense.

There`s lots of explanations for unusual behaviour over the centuries.

The past was a brutal place, many were traumatised, sexual abuse was common and ignored, people witnessed death of loved one’s death on a frequent basis, some of your siblings were expected to die in childhood. Diet was poor most people had vitamin deficiencies, water could be contaminated so only alcohol like beer & wine were trusted drinks a lot of the time so most people were in various states of intoxication much of the time, inc pregnant women (wonder what the long-term brain effects of that was).

There was no tv, fashion or print media, so no template of how a normal person behaves like today where there’s kind of a social norm that people follow.

OK put forth links that disprove me. I am waiting. I was very scientific . I put forth an idea and evidence. Its your responsibility to refute it. I even said that I recognize the objection that historical diagnoses are suspect. Just like Einstein believed in his theory ( I AM NOT SAYING THAT I AM AS SMART AS EINSTEIN!) and awaited for someone to disprove it.


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29 Sep 2020, 2:40 pm

Are you guys saying that no autistic people were world shakers. Name a few and I will only put them on the list. If greater then 8 I win if only 2/5 you win.
BTW I understand the difference between IQ and emotional intelligence.
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29 Sep 2020, 2:51 pm

Am I 100% sure that autistics accomplish greater things ( as a % of their population ) then neurotypicals? NO! I am only 80% sure. Am I 100% sure that the world is not flat? NO! I am only 98% sure. I have not personally done any experiments that prove it. And it is not an appeal to authority to think that most experts are correct and therefore the earth is not flat. It is up to you guys to actually supply links ( like I provided ) to prove me wrong.


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29 Sep 2020, 2:52 pm

Carlos wrote, "Basically, you have a theory you like and are pushing the evidence in favour of it while ignoring the evidence against it. "
Actually I provided evidence and links. Its not my job to prove you right.


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29 Sep 2020, 3:00 pm

Post the evidence ( actual links etc and don't just restate your opinion ). I posted my evidence. Why can't you?


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29 Sep 2020, 3:09 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
Post the evidence ( actual links etc and don't just restate your opinion ). I posted my evidence. Why can't you?
Your 'evidence' is suspect.  Besides, the burden of proof is on the you (the person asserting that autistics have 'super-powers') to show by a preponderance of evidence that all the facts necessary to prove your assertions are valid, and not on those who assert that your claims are invalid.


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29 Sep 2020, 3:15 pm

Fnord. I finally understand your objection that I am a solipist. True, I only experience my perspective. However, i understand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity
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29 Sep 2020, 3:18 pm

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If my only "Super-Power" is the ability to invoke anger and frustration in those around me, then so be it.

I mean, according to some people on this website, that's all I'm good for.

:(

Haha :lol: Same. Although I really excel at trivia games, "useless" knowledge, and vocabulary. There aren't many practical uses for this, though, so if it's a super power, it's a lousy one.


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29 Sep 2020, 3:19 pm

Fnord wrote, " Your 'evidence' is suspect.".
OK show me why my evidence is suspect. It is not my job to do your homework.
Note that the first step in the scientific method is to form a hypothesis.
https://www.britannica.com/science/scientific-method


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29 Sep 2020, 3:22 pm

Actually I like you Fnord. I like a person that defends the indefensible [ position]


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29 Sep 2020, 3:25 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
Fnord wrote, " Your 'evidence' is suspect.". OK show me why my evidence is suspect.
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It is not my job to do your homework.
It is not my job to do your term project, either.  Do you want to prove your assertions, or do you just want to be believed?


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Actually I like you Fnord. I like a person that defends the indefensible [ position]
Back-handed 'compliments' will get you nowhere.


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29 Sep 2020, 3:28 pm

""I might be crazy but I ain't dumb"
Cooter, The Dukes of Hazzard
A guy was driving and his car broke down near an insane asylum. He went up to the fence and asked a guy, " I am lost. How do I get to the freeway?" The guy replied," drive 3 more miles, take a left when you see the green house take a right." The lost driver said, " This is an insane asylum. Why do you know perfectly the directions?" The "insane" person replied, " I'm not stupid. I'm nuts!"


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29 Sep 2020, 3:31 pm

Fnord wrote, " It is not my job to do your term project, either. Do you want to prove your assertions, or do you just want to be believed?"
OK, so I am on Wrong Planet to steal your ideas?
Fnord wrote," Back-handed 'compliments' will get you nowhere."
OK you felt insulted. I apologize.


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