Do you think Dexter Morgan from the show "Dexter" on Showtime is an Aspie?
He has no emotions except anger, he's completely obsessed about his interest, he fakes social situations, he's very logical and a he need a routine when he's doing his killings.
Sounds pretty Aspie to me.
I have not seen the show but have heard alot about it, and I do want to see it.
I dont think he is so much an aspie as he is a typical serial killer if their is such a thing. Many serial killers have a certain way they do things, they are meticulous so they have things planned and know how to do it. From what I understand the character is social in this show.
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DX'ed with HFA as a child. However this was in 1987 and I am certain had I been DX'ed a few years later I would have been DX'ed with AS instead.
There isn't enough info to say. As for him being a serial killer, he is trying to do justice. It is actually only recently that it started to deviate a bit, but even THERE he is going after people that are working against justice, etc...
Frankly, the show is just using another formula. An insider works to help justice from the inside using a special ability or clearance.
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He has no emotions except anger, he's completely obsessed about his interest, he fakes social situations, he's very logical and a he need a routine when he's doing his killings.
Sounds pretty Aspie to me.
...Beg to differ. I get angry, but it most certainly NOT my only emotion.
He's a sociopath, plain and simple. They are adept at leading double lives (more successful than your average Aspie) that fool everyone, including their own spouses. I doubt anyone here can hack a person to pieces, then go home and kiss their wife and act like nothing happened.
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Frankly, the show is just using another formula. An insider works to help justice from the inside using a special ability or clearance.
I only saw one ep, but in it his foster(?) father was telling him that if he had to do bad things, do them to bad people. Just because that imprint stuck with him doesn't mean that he isn't a sick sociopath. And even if he is usually right, where is the trial or mercy shown to victims who may have been innocent?
He is definitely not a sociopath. People often say "sociopath" without knowing what it means.
Here's the checklist for antisocial personality disorder (AKA sociopathy).
1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
Other than his obvious hobby, Dexter obeys the law as well as anybody else. Sociopaths enjoy breaking rules. Dexter is very meticulous and rule oriented.
2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
This one Dexter does match, but only because he was taught in this way. If Dexter grew up without the social skills training of Harry, his aspie traits would be more recognizable(he never smiled as a child, which is an autistic trait). Also if you pay attention, Dexter very rarely lies. He plays with words much like I do. Rita-"What are you doing?" Dexter-"Just finishing up a little project". Dexter tells Rita almost everything he does wrong (hitting Paul, sleeping with Lila).
3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
He is very rarely impulsive, and regrets when he is. He plans ahead quite well.
4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
He almost stabbed a bully in school, but that does not point to sociopathy. I'm sure many people on wrongplanet have had similar thoughts.
5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
Dexter is anything but reckless. He is careful in most things he does.
6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
He is good at maintaining jobs obviously. He doesn't appear to suffer financially either.
7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
Can also be linked to Asperger Syndrome, but he is capable of remorse. Remember his brother?
*One other symptom common in sociopaths is a provocative sexual nature. Dexter is disgusted by sex.
Remember, killing doesn't make someone a sociopath. I'm sure a lot of people here are capable of murder.
Just because you feel more than anger doesn't mean aspies must be more emotional.
I rarely have any emotions. I am capable of anger, but it's occurrence is incredibly rare. I have seen family members die and it hasn't phased me in the least bit. I am an example of an emotionless aspie, proving they are possible.
Examples of real life serial killers who a had more aspie traits than sociopath traits.
Edmund Kemper
Jeffrey Dahmer
Joel Rifkin
Theodore Kaczynski
I know all of this is "bad stigma" for Aspies, but you need to get over it and quit denying reality.
Frankly, the show is just using another formula. An insider works to help justice from the inside using a special ability or clearance.
I only saw one ep, but in it his foster(?) father was telling him that if he had to do bad things, do them to bad people. Just because that imprint stuck with him doesn't mean that he isn't a sick sociopath. And even if he is usually right, where is the trial or mercy shown to victims who may have been innocent?
You are right there, but some people seem to need such things for EVERYTHING. He should get credit for sticking to it.
Being a sociopath (or psychopath) is no more a checklist than Aspergers. Dexter is presented as a psychopath. (No debates about which is correct or whether they're the same thing.) Wikipedia states that clinical research measures these factors to determine the extent a person is a psychopath:
Factor1: Aggressive narcissism
1. Glibness/superficial charm: check.
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth: check.
3. Pathological lying: check.
4. Cunning/manipulative: check.
5. Lack of remorse or guilt: check.
6. Shallow: check.
7. Callous/lack of empathy: check.
8. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions: fail.
9. Promiscuous sexual behavior: fail.
Factor2: Socially deviant lifestyle
1. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom: check.
2. Parasitic lifestyle: fail.
3. Poor behavioral control: check, but with a twist.
4. Lack of realistic, long-term goals: debatable.
5. Impulsivity: check. (He acts impulsively when breaking the law, e.g. hacking.)
6. Irresponsibility: fail.
7. Juvenile delinquency: check.
8. Early behavior problems: check.
9. Revocation of conditional release: fail.
The most important point is that he is not real. He's psychopath with a clever twist. Makes for great entertainment, but isn't overly realistic. And they have to toy with you about whether he really is, (in the show at least), to keep you hooked.
Factor1: Aggressive narcissism
1. Glibness/superficial charm: check.
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth: check.
3. Pathological lying: check.
4. Cunning/manipulative: check.
5. Lack of remorse or guilt: check.
6. Shallow: check.
7. Callous/lack of empathy: check.
8. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions: fail.
9. Promiscuous sexual behavior: fail.
Factor2: Socially deviant lifestyle
1. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom: check.
2. Parasitic lifestyle: fail.
3. Poor behavioral control: check, but with a twist.
4. Lack of realistic, long-term goals: debatable.
5. Impulsivity: check. (He acts impulsively when breaking the law, e.g. hacking.)
6. Irresponsibility: fail.
7. Juvenile delinquency: check.
8. Early behavior problems: check.
9. Revocation of conditional release: fail.
The most important point is that he is not real. He's psychopath with a clever twist. Makes for great entertainment, but isn't overly realistic. And they have to toy with you about whether he really is, (in the show at least), to keep you hooked.
Factor 1 Inaccuracies
2. I wouldn't say he is so full of himself that it is pathological. In the books maybe, but not in the show.
3. Like I said earlier, Dexter rarely lies. He cleverly plays on words. That is what I do instead of lying. Dexter ADMITTED to having slept with Lila. A psychopath would have lied in that situation just to get away with it.
5. He generally lacks remorse, but is capable of it in extreme cases, once again- his brother.
Factor 2 Inaccuracies
1. Dexter never demonstrates a need for stimulation, at least not in the way a psychopath would.
3. Dexter is in full control of his behavior. He willingly takes lifes.
5. Hacking is the opposite of impulsiveness. It is careful planning to make sure he has the right person.
That's only 1/3 of the symptoms, and most of those he does fit could be explained by something else.
Like you said, he is fictional. This conversation is purely semantics.
In my opinion, Aspies aren't charismatic enough to be successful serial killers. But you never know.
But I wouldn't classify Dexter as a sociopath or an Aspie. Being meticulous and rule-oriented make you meticulous and rule-oriented, not Aspie.
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I haven't seen it, but someone said "disgusted by sex" in regards to the character.
That's a symptom of Schizoid PD, which is probably the same thing as AS in reality, but less impaired in the ways of independence and executive functioning.
Killing people who one deems as deserving of death isn't a sign of mental illness; soldiers do it all of the time (whether they're government paid or not).
That's a symptom of Schizoid PD, which is probably the same thing as AS in reality, but less impaired in the ways of independence and executive functioning.
Schizoid PD is very different from AS. Some of their symptoms are actually opposite. For example, one criteria for SPD is taking pleasure or interest in either few or no activities whatsoever, whereas AS requires intense special interests. Also people with SPD do not stim, have sensory integration problems, or have issues with coordination.
Killing people who one deems as deserving of death isn't a sign of mental illness; soldiers do it all of the time (whether they're government paid or not).
This however I agree with.
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