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02 May 2022, 9:33 pm

So, when I'm stressed I'm always worried people are talking about me especially at work. I talked to my therapist today and she said the paranoia are intrusive thoughts that come because I'm in a negative space and my imagination is messing me and I need to tell myself a different story when that happens. My mom says its when i'm stressed i think people are talking about me due to my autism. Does anyone have this issue as well?



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03 May 2022, 2:05 am

I don't know if it's really paranoia. When I feel some negative vibes at work, it turns out right. People do talk about me and even those people in other departments that don't know me at all actually show passive aggression towards me due to having heard false malicious rumors about me.

People do talk about others a lot more than you think. They often even create untrue stories. Many people are craving gossip so that they can feel better about themselves. They are looking for someone that they can bash. People with autism are often the target for that kind of low behavior. This is one area of bullying that is not addressed at all though many companies claim to have "anti-bullying" policies. After all such policies are just formality and propaganda to make the company look good.

So your "paranoia" that people are talking about you because of your autism may actually be justified.



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03 May 2022, 2:23 am

Anxiety can make someone preoccupied with things that one might be predisposed to worrying about, for example, people talking about you negatively if that is something you may worry about every now and again. The heightened anxiety brings that worry out. Extreme enough anxiety can cause transient psychosis which doesn't last long, and that will be "real" paranoia, a delusion. It's somewhat of a plausible thing, and if it's there when stressed, I'd chalk it up to that. Autism can bring on self-doubt over social ability, negative thoughts from social failure, and one might be predisposed to something similar to social anxiety disorder due to such. The fear that people are judging and/or talking about you.

The question you should ask yourself: are you 100% convinced they're talking about you (there's no way you can reasonably know this being the context)? If yes, then paranoia, if no, unlikely to be paranoia and from stress (maybe in part or from Autism, maybe not).

I worry about a lot of things when I'm stressed, so I guess I do experience it (which is more often than not, lol). Not your particular worry though. Well, I might worry that people think negative things about me which is sorta similar to others talking about you, but that's nowhere near 100% convinced (it'd be below heads or tails).



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03 May 2022, 9:50 pm

Thanks i think the more stressed i get the more i think people are talking about me. Probably due to my anxiety increasing while i'm stressed. And I think it also has to due with my autism because i also have social anxiety due to the autism.



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04 May 2022, 4:05 am

No worries.

Social anxiety would be a good culprit for that specific worry. Autism won't help either due to its own social anxiety issues, as you said, and it also being a common source of stress due to being overwhelmed from one or more of the multiple reasons that can cause. Finding the source of the stress and then working on it will be how one will go about these things in the hopes of lessening it all. Lots of ways to go about it and everyone responds differently to the various ways. Identification is the most important step though, and it looks like you're mostly there or there.

I've had a lot of experience with anxiety, I guess. It tends to get better on its own as you age, it ebbs and flows as it's want to do, and there'll be something out there you'll find that helps (simple distraction therapy and a limited amount of avoidance works alright for me; total avoidance feels good to begin with, but you tend to find new things to worry about regardless of how much you avoid and it kinda keeps you locked away).

I've got an example of two very similar things, where one is anxiety and another paranoia, but I won't bore everyone with that, but the above holds true. Level of confidence. 100% certainty without proof will be paranoia of some type.



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04 May 2022, 4:28 am

christinejarvis21 wrote:
So, when I'm stressed I'm always worried people are talking about me especially at work. I talked to my therapist today and she said the paranoia are intrusive thoughts that come because I'm in a negative space and my imagination is messing me and I need to tell myself a different story when that happens. My mom says its when i'm stressed i think people are talking about me due to my autism. Does anyone have this issue as well?


A lot of people have this problem. Most can just ignore them.


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04 May 2022, 4:30 am

christinejarvis21 wrote:
Thanks i think the more stressed i get the more i think people are talking about me. Probably due to my anxiety increasing while i'm stressed. And I think it also has to due with my autism because i also have social anxiety due to the autism.


I am hypersensitive to caffeine and it makes the problem worse.
Maybe you have this also.
Marijuana (and some other drugs) can make things worse.


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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05 May 2022, 2:47 am

temp1234 wrote:
I don't know if it's really paranoia. When I feel some negative vibes at work, it turns out right. People do talk about me and even those people in other departments that don't know me at all actually show passive aggression towards me due to having heard false malicious rumors about me.

People do talk about others a lot more than you think. They often even create untrue stories. Many people are craving gossip so that they can feel better about themselves. They are looking for someone that they can bash. People with autism are often the target for that kind of low behavior. This is one area of bullying that is not addressed at all though many companies claim to have "anti-bullying" policies. After all such policies are just formality and propaganda to make the company look good.

So your "paranoia" that people are talking about you because of your autism may actually be justified.


The most honest and accurate reply thus far.

You are quite correct. People think about US more than we think about THEM. The primary offenders are people out in the orbit -- we don't know them directly, but we know OF them. A friend of a friend (and friend is not the best word to use). People we have an idea of but don't really know. They form perceptions about us based upon what people we do know tell them. Many are hostile, some outright violent, all structure around a desire to hate someone based on a vague idea.



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05 May 2022, 2:50 am

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The most honest and accurate reply thus far.


And what qualifies you to make this grand announcement? :scratch:


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Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

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Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
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05 May 2022, 3:02 am

Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
The most honest and accurate reply thus far.


And what qualifies you to make this grand announcement? :scratch:


It's my opinion. And it clearly resonates on some level with you if you deem it an "announcement," even if you don't want to acknowledge that fact.

Unlike others, I have to live and work among NTs. If I were socially isolated, only interacting with them when I went out shopping, I may be more oblivious.

For those of us who have to wageslave for a living, our paranoia is sometimes justified. Yes, it's not all in our heads. If anyone tries to gaslight someone in our situation saying, "You're just imagining they're out to get you," then they're simply speculating. Yes, people sometimes unreasonably and unjustly hate others, even if they don't know them. Said hatred is based on hearsay and rumors. I'm sorry if this concept is beyond your comprehension...which is odd, given your obsessive-compulsive infatuation with gangstalking.



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05 May 2022, 3:14 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
The most honest and accurate reply thus far.


And what qualifies you to make this grand announcement? :scratch:


It's my opinion. And it clearly resonates on some level with you if you deem it an "announcement," even if you don't want to acknowledge that fact.

Unlike others, I have to live and work among NTs. If I were socially isolated, only interacting with them when I went out shopping, I may be more oblivious.

For those of us who have to wageslave for a living, our paranoia is sometimes justified. Yes, it's not all in our heads. If anyone tries to gaslight someone in our situation saying, "You're just imagining they're out to get you," then they're simply speculating. Yes, people sometimes unreasonably and unjustly hate others, even if they don't know them. Said hatred is based on hearsay and rumors. I'm sorry if this concept is beyond your comprehension...which is odd, given your obsessive-compulsive infatuation with gangstalking.


Interesting aggression. 8)


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Don't tell me white lies. Gaslight me at your peril. Don't give me your bad attitude. Hypnosis, psychosis. Tomarto, tomayto. There are *4* lights. Honey badger.
If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
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05 May 2022, 3:23 am

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Interesting aggression. 8)


You asked me a question, I replied.

Sometimes, aggression is needed in the face of disingenuous behavior.

More importantly, this doesn't address anything I've said. I've answered your question as to who I am to make such a declaration. Do you have any counterpoints or objections? I think not.



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05 May 2022, 9:25 pm

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No worries.

Social anxiety would be a good culprit for that specific worry. Autism won't help either due to its own social anxiety issues, as you said, and it also being a common source of stress due to being overwhelmed from one or more of the multiple reasons that can cause. Finding the source of the stress and then working on it will be how one will go about these things in the hopes of lessening it all. Lots of ways to go about it and everyone responds differently to the various ways. Identification is the most important step though, and it looks like you're mostly there or there.

I've had a lot of experience with anxiety, I guess. It tends to get better on its own as you age, it ebbs and flows as it's want to do, and there'll be something out there you'll find that helps (simple distraction therapy and a limited amount of avoidance works alright for me; total avoidance feels good to begin with, but you tend to find new things to worry about regardless of how much you avoid and it kinda keeps you locked away).

I've got an example of two very similar things, where one is anxiety and another paranoia, but I won't bore everyone with that, but the above holds true. Level of confidence. 100% certainty without proof will be paranoia of some type.

I see that some experts see social anxiety as a form of paranoia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia# ... d_symptoms

though I'm not convinced that social anxiety necessarily has anything to do with paranoia, and it seems odd to me that it should be lumped in with the same ailment that manifests as delusions of persecution and conspiracy. In my case I don't go around imagining that anybody is out to get me - for one thing, they'd have to be interested in me to do that in the first place, and my gut reaction is that most people disregard me. I do have quite a bit of social anxiety, but I think it's pretty much based on sound reasoning and experience, although I probably worry too much about how I'm going to do when among people, probably because I underestimate my ability to present myself in a way that's reasonably acceptable to most people.



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05 May 2022, 9:47 pm

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Pepe wrote:

Interesting aggression. 8)


You asked me a question, I replied.

Sometimes, aggression is needed in the face of disingenuous behavior.

More importantly, this doesn't address anything I've said. I've answered your question as to who I am to make such a declaration. Do you have any counterpoints or objections? I think not.


More aggression.
And now misrepresentation.
"Interesting". 8)


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If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
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05 May 2022, 10:02 pm

those thoughts happen to me sometimes



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05 May 2022, 11:56 pm

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those thoughts happen to me sometimes


I suggest you ignore them. 8)


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Don't tell me white lies. Gaslight me at your peril. Don't give me your bad attitude. Hypnosis, psychosis. Tomarto, tomayto. There are *4* lights. Honey badger.
If I'm so bad, pass me by. ;)


And one more thing,



Also, as George Carlin said, "I have no stake in the outcome." I'll stick around for the comedy.

"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...8)
Glory to Ukraine.