Why are pepole with disabilites so marginalized?

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27 Sep 2023, 6:26 pm

Like, what gives? What is with all the discrimination???



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27 Sep 2023, 7:22 pm

justanotherpersonsomewhere23124 wrote:
Like, what gives? What is with all the discrimination???


Am thinking .. in general , people do not like to see the disabilities..they do not want to ever consider ,that possibly they could be in that position . Its not something they want in their lives . sometimes they can provide cursory
lip service to the disabled .And very possibly ,they literally , do not have the abilty to relate to the disabled. :roll:
That experience is not in their frame of reference . And they do not want it to be in their experience .
And occassionally can even inspire fear in them...They do not want to even think . :skull:
"But for the Grace of Gawd ,go I " And because of the more obvious visual facts, they might not even consider there might be a mind inside that same disabled person :ninja: Thank you for starting this thread 8)


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28 Sep 2023, 4:16 pm

justanotherpersonsomewhere23124 wrote:
Like, what gives? What is with all the discrimination???


It's in the name: disabled. Literally less able than most other people.



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01 Oct 2023, 4:07 pm

justanotherpersonsomewhere23124 wrote:
Like, what gives? What is with all the discrimination???



I think that, considering people will be discriminatory over the slightest of differences. People are discriminated for sex, race, wealth or even if they cry at their wedding or funeral. There are definitely bound to be individuals who judge those of us who think noticeably differently, no matter what we do. More so, since we are called disabled.

For many people, that label is enough of an excuse to write us off. It's not right or fair, it just is. It doesn't mean we should settle for it though; I think the more that we openly strive to be considered as equals, the fewer people there will be who will do this to us.



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02 Oct 2023, 2:25 am

Because we live in a time where the rich get to decide who is valuable, and that is usually whoever helps them accumulate or protect their wealth. Anyone who does not “contribute” to that end is considered to be taking away from it, and are used as scapegoats and "cautionary tales" to get everyone else to fall in line.

“See those people over there? They’re the problem. They do/don’t do ________, which is bad for YOU. Don’t want to end up like them? Then do what you’re told.”


And TA-DAA! Discrimination! Sexism! Racism! Etc etc...



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02 Oct 2023, 6:56 am

It is an easy way for people to show power.
“Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.”
Don't ever do that again.

It is much harder to be like Taylor Swift and give everyone big bonuses for a job well done.

Which is the better display of wealth and power? Making sure the disabled never share the same stage with you or flaunting your ability to give away 50 million $ in bonuses? But, you actually have to be wealthy to give away that much money.



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02 Oct 2023, 7:10 am

Like others have said, scapegoating is a feature of being marginalised but also the 'othering' of a person. A person who is perceived as different, even in some slight way, can be considered less than or 'the other' and someone to treat differently because of being different.

It's just sad, bigoted, human behaviour, particularly when it is purposeful & malicious.



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02 Oct 2023, 1:53 pm

Depends what you mean by disabilities and being Marginalized

Those with disabilities usually cant work or have to devote more of their energies to overcome the disability, which means they end up poor, tired or both.

Being poor or tired means you have to use up most of your time for basic survival with not much time, money or energy for other things

There`s some exceptions particularly with single disabilities, i.e cant walk or blind becoming famous or going into politics for example, but its rare and usually made up by an amazing talent or ability of some kind.

There`s autism where its ranges from impairment to disability or severe disability depending on which autism

Nearly half of those with autism have an IQ below 85, having an IQ below 85 means there`s not much you can do yourself or anyone will bother listening to you (people don't usually listen to opinions of those with an IQ lower than themselves, just human nature and logic)

Then you have the 33% with ID which is even worse

So there`s your answer


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02 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm

The method of measuring IQ as a test for intelligence , does not adequately test innate intelligence . 8)
ie. non verbal 7 yr old Aspie doing 1000 piece jigsaw puzzles in 3 hours solid uninterrupted. No reading or writing abilities even . Up to last i knew over 30 years gone past . :heart:


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02 Oct 2023, 4:42 pm

The reason I wrote “we live in a time where the rich get to decide who is valuable” is because this has not always been the case, and that there is evidence that it is not necessarily human nature to be nasty toward the less fortunate, and that this may be a bias limited to our own culture and era.

Because there have been times in our past when the sick and disabled were not treated as being a burden. For example, archaeologists discovered that prehistoric humans cared for the sick and disabled:

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/12/17/archaeologists-find-prehistoric-humans-cared-for-sick-and-disabled/ Archaeologists find prehistoric humans cared for sick and disabled

Why would they do that? I am guessing because to them, a human being’s value was not limited to their productivity. Which IMO goes a long way to condemning our own time. If Stone Age people whose survival was far less guaranteed could carry a disabled member around and look after their every need, what excuse do we have?



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02 Oct 2023, 8:17 pm

Cause Lots of NTs find them easy targets ... :evil: .Less likely to stick up for themselves, they suspect ? :skull:


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03 Oct 2023, 1:17 am

carlos55 wrote:
Depends what you mean by disabilities and being Marginalized

Those with disabilities usually cant work or have to devote more of their energies to overcome the disability, which means they end up poor, tired or both.

Being poor or tired means you have to use up most of your time for basic survival with not much time, money or energy for other things




In otherwords, according to my brothers, you’re a lazy, good-for-nothing motherf!cker who deserves to die at any and all costs, just for being worse than useless.



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03 Oct 2023, 6:01 am

I really hope for a day when disabled people are treated better by society.



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03 Oct 2023, 8:13 am

carlos55 wrote:
Nearly half of those with autism have an IQ below 85, having an IQ below 85 means there`s not much you can do yourself or anyone will bother listening to you (people don't usually listen to opinions of those with an IQ lower than themselves, just human nature and logic)


I had heard there was no correlation between autism and IQ.

So which is it?



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03 Oct 2023, 8:20 am

blitzkrieg wrote:
Like others have said, scapegoating is a feature of being marginalised but also the 'othering' of a person. A person who is perceived as different, even in some slight way, can be considered less than or 'the other' and someone to treat differently because of being different.


So which is it: do you want to be held to the same expectations as everyone else, or do you want special treatment because you are different? You can't have it both ways.

Do you really think nobody deserves to be othered? Nazis? Child molesters? Animal abusers? Misogynists? People who scam the elderly?



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03 Oct 2023, 8:30 am

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blitzkrieg wrote:
Like others have said, scapegoating is a feature of being marginalised but also the 'othering' of a person. A person who is perceived as different, even in some slight way, can be considered less than or 'the other' and someone to treat differently because of being different.


So which is it: do you want to be held to the same expectations as everyone else, or do you want special treatment because you are different? You can't have it both ways.

Do you really think nobody deserves to be othered? Nazis? Child molesters? Animal abusers? Misogynists? People who scam the elderly?


I don't agree with not having it both ways. I think it is possible to be considered different, yet equal. As opposed to different & less than.