Are You a Sheeple?

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Same here. I remembered last minute that the show in question would start in just a few hours.

Stuff like going to the doctor and listening to the FDA isn't being a sheeple. It's just common sense.

What doctors say about Chemo Therapy ?

Did you know that 30 years ago Dr Hardin B. Jones, Professor of Medical Physics & Physiology at Berkeley, found that the life expectancy of untreated cancer cases appears to be FOUR TIMES LONGER than that of treated individuals?

1969 Science Writers Conference of the ACS

Chemotherapy is effective in only 2 to 4% of cancers----Hodgkin's disease, Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia (ALL, childhood leukemia), Testicular cancer, and Choriocarcinoma?

Ralph Moss interview 1995
http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/canc/rmoss.html


There is no scientific evidence for chemotherapy being able to extend in any appreciable way the lives of patients suffering from the most common organic cancers, which accounts for 80% of all cancers? (Dr Ulrich Abel. 1990)



Chemotherapy drugs are of benefit to at most 5% of cancer patients they are given to, but are routinely given to 50% of patients?

John Cairns of Harvard in Scientific American


75 % of oncologists, in one survey, said if they had cancer they would not participate in chemotherapy trials due to its "ineffectiveness and its unacceptable toxicity"?


Grouped together, the average cancer patient has a 50/50 chance of living another 5 years; which are the same odds he or she had in 1971?


With some cancers, notably liver, lung, pancreas, bone and advanced breast, our 5 year survival from traditional therapy alone is virtually the same as it was 30 years ago?


After $50 Billion spent on cancer research, the list of cancers responsive to chemotherapy is almost identical to what it was 25 years ago?
Questioning Chemotherapy by Ralph Moss, p81

the War on Cancer is a failure with a death rate not lower but 6% higher in 1997 than 1970?


Did you know that one of the worlds leading nuclear medical scientist, John Gofman M.D.,Ph.D. found that past exposure to ionizing radiation, primarily medical x-rays (eg mammograms), is responsible for about 75 percent of the breast-cancer problem today?
http://ratical.co./radiation/CNR?PBC/Overview.htm

Radiation therapy does not improve the survival of patients with breast cancer !


Did you know that the mortality rate for breast cancer in women over 55 was about 20% higher in 1995 than in 1970 (so much for mammograms)? (Irwin D. Bross, Ph.D.)

Did you know that two large studies found an increase in mortality of women (under 55) from breast cancer who were regularly screened with mammograms?

The doctor who cured himself from liver cancer http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v08n3/08322top.html

The man who cured himself from cancer - http://curezone.com/diseases/leukemia/l ... cured.html

More!
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/ ... 0817224439

FDA - it's not too late to learn -
http://www.google.com/search?client=ope ... 8&oe=utf-8

What doctors don't tell you -
http://www.wddty.com/

Follow your heart, not the flock.

Indeed. Fortunate.
U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, report says -
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parentin ... index.html

20 October 2007

Vaccine-derived polio spreads in Nigeria

8 October 2007
Source: SciDev.Net

Sixty-nine children in Nigeria have been partially paralysed after weakened viruses from polio vaccines were inadvertently transmitted to people in unvaccinated regions in the north of the country.

Festus Adu, director of the WHO's polio laboratory in Ibadan, Nigeria, told SciDev.Net that this polio outbreak is only appearing in areas where people are refusing to be vaccinated or where there is not enough oral polio vaccine.

"The best way to overcome the outbreak of vaccine-related polio virus is to increase immunisation coverage, making sure that all children get the vaccine," said Adu, whose lab analyses polio samples before sending them for further tests at the Centers for Disease Control in the United States.

Adu, who is also a member of the Nigerian government's polio eradication committee's expert review, said researchers were preparing vaccine alternatives to combat the outbreak.

Adu said monovalent vaccines (which protect against only one of the three strains) should be used in the areas where the virus is still circulating. But nationwide, the polyvalent vaccine (which protects against all three strains of poliovirus) should be aggressively used and coverage increased, he said.

Many Nigerians are blaming the outbreak on vaccination efforts, an attitude experts fear may ruin previous gains in eradicating polio in the country.

The ongoing outbreak in 18 northern states of Nigeria's 36 states started in 2006 that and was reported only last week in Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Review, a journal published by the US Centers for Disease Control.

Nigeria has the largest number of polio cases, accounting for 61 per cent of global polio cases and 95 per cent of cases in Africa, according to the disease surveillance unit of the WHO.

A government immunisation coordinator working in northern Nigeria, who declined to be named, said a heightened immunisation campaign for children was a necessity to stop the epidemic from spreading.

A wide range of government health officials declined to answer SciDev.Net about whether immunisation was being stepped up, saying it was a political as well as a scientific issue and that they were waiting for a statement from minister of health Adenike Grange.

Most of the anti-immunisation campaigns have been in the predominantly Muslim north of Nigeria, and a number of Muslim clerics have been quoted in the Nigerian media as claiming that vaccines are dangerous and cause sterility or illness.

http://www.scidev.net/content/news/eng/ ... igeria.cfm

And this was front page news in the NY Times, right?
Hurry, get your vaccines asap!

Did you drink Kool-Aide when you were a child?

....Only if it was the only thing available...or had the potential to turn my tongue a neon shade of green. Green tongues are cool when you're a kid.


Do you read newspapers?

...sometimes...mostly the want ads & comics

Do you hum commercial tunes?

...on occasion, tunes stick in my head.

No to the rest.

I guess you need an update on the FDA then - http://money.cnn.com/2007/10/14/news/co ... 2007101419

So if I have lung cancer, I can heal myself? If I need a heart transplant, I can mend/GROW my own? I should just cut someone else's out with my in-depth surgical knowledge that I definitely have? I had pneumonia in January of this year; would I have miraculously eliminated all of the gunk in my lungs if I simply believed in myself? Don't be an idiot.

Not all consumers of music buy it because it will make them "cool". Music is designed not to dumb us down, but to soothe us and make us feel emotions. I'd be lost without music. That doesn't make me a follower of the latest trend. And as for the junk food comment, each to their own.

Just because I read newspapers doesn't mean I believe every word said in them. "Funnies" are there to amuse ppl. They don't just buy a newspaper because of them. And you're obviously unaware that EVERY source of information ANYWHERE is biased towards the writers point of view. I think if you put your faith in conspiracy writers it is you who is part of the "sheeple", not us.

If I didn't get a shot for TB or meningitis who knows what would've happened. I'd rather be safe than sorry on that one.

And as healthy alternatives over here in England are most DEFINITELY of a higher price than junk food (which I like the taste of anyway, I don't just buy it to be part of the crowd), I simply cannot afford things such as soy milk, asparagus, or whatever is the new "alternative health" food this month. That, to me, is following the crowd and the advice of others. I'm perfectly healthy and I eat crap. I don't feel in the least bit more ill than when I tried this stupid health food diet. In fact, it made me lose weight and as I'm barely 100lb as it is, that isn't a good thing.

I think you are misunderstanding the definition of "sheeple".



Most of the things you put on that "you're a "sheeple" if" list does not explain what you mean by the term. If you had put maybe "if you believe everything they tell you in newspapers" or "if you believe everything a doctor tells you", or even "if you buy popular music because you think you should" maybe you'd be right. But you didn't. You made innocuous comments about ppl, but it went a little awry didn't it?

Now.. do you REALLY BELIEVE in the term first recorded in print in the Wall Street Journal? Uh. Oh.[/quote]

jjstar, did it never occur to you that some people buy things that are bad for them because they LIKE them? Maybe we dont fancy f*****g about all day looking for the one health-food shop in the area when we could just buy some crap that tastes nice?

Of course everyone who runs a conspiracy website is completely unbiased, obviously.....

NO WAY that a multi-million pound international news agency could be aware of whats going on in the world. Nah, its got to be the guy with the tinfoil hat living in his basement. People who run "independent" news sites NEVER have social or political agendas? You only believe what youve seen with your own two eyes? So you dont believe in moose? Or kodiak bears? Or (insert random wildlife not indigenous to your area). ? And since when have a few comic strips of mild amusing content EVER been introduced to numb you to a global catastrophe? Garfield and Dilbert only exist so you dont notice the government is f*****g you over again?

I assume that you are capable of resetting all the bones in your own body without help? You know how to trepan yourself? Know how to replace your own kidneys do you? Capable of adminstering resuscitation to yourself, then know how to apply a drain, after you get hit by a car and your rib goes through your lungs? please, do reveal your encyclopaedic knowledge of medicine that so outweighs 7 years plus of medical training...

I would be interested to know what "good" music is exactly, by your standards. Mournful dirges about the fate of mother earth? Low quality ska-punk tracks about how fascist the police are? Banging hardhouse anthems about how drugs are really good for you? Maybe, just maybe, not everyone wants to be buried under a deluge of social reality all the time. Would I be right in thinking that your own music collection is made up entirely of garage bands recorded on a borrowed 8 -track, most of whom have sunk without trace?

Take the tinfoil hat off.. the reverse-vampires, working in conjuction with the fourth reich and the saucer-people under the giuse of zionism ARE NOT watching you.

1. NOPE, and even LESS now!
2. OF COURSE, SO WHAT?
3. NOPE!
4. OF COURSE NOT!
5. OF COURSE NOT!
6. Sometimes
7. Show me one, and I'll lend my support!
8. OF COURSE NOT!
9. NOPE! Too much is STUPID anyway!
10. NEVER
11. Sometimes.
12. RARELY!
13. ONLY because of population and STUPIDITY!
14. Sometimes, SO WHAT?

That MIGHT be 4. STUPID QUIZ though!

Last edited by 2ukenkerl on 20 Oct 2007, 9:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.

First of all, Macbeth, your post was awesome. Second of all, what is a reverse-vampire? Do they regurgitate blood all over people or something (urg)?

I did most of them when I was younger. Now I'm down to just humming commercial tunes if they're cute, like the "Meow Mix" theme.

I don't know if I was sheeple or just gullible. Either way, I guess.

Macbeth, I think you just don't get it...

Just spend 6 hours at a sink hocking loogies while you're mortally sick. That would be so much easier than going to a doctor.



Don't you know that Britney Spears has singlehandedly destroyed most European cultures? And that if you don't eat enough couscous we won't produce enough crap to grow healthy food?



Don't you know that the government has placed a mind controlling poison in newspaper ink that takes effect when your skin comes into contact with it?



This one isn't funny. I've known people that have died of meningitis.



I am an intercollegiate basketball player and no one on my team would be able to compete with the speed that we do if we didn't eat healthy food. When we go to the pub to get some food we usually pick healthy choices like bacon cheeseburgers without vegetables or pizza while most other people are getting unhealthy things like vegan organic caesar salad wraps. Earlier today I went to Arby's and got some of their new fried cheesecake bites because they are so healthy. If I ate unhealthy things like vegetable matter grown in nightshade it would slow me down. If you give the clerk at the farmer's market a blowjob you would be surprised how cheaply you can get fresh fruit.





Once again you are wrong, Macbeth. He just made a typo when he wanted to call us steeples.



I have already made it clear in my previous posts on this thread that I completely disagree with that statement.



Jim Davis and Scott Adams are reincarnations of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, how could you not know that?



Rolling around in freshly fertilized grass cures everything, it's the ultimate herbal remedy. The fertilizer helps to sanitize your wounds because only all natural things can do that, while the grass does the rest.



If it isn't pop I would imagine that it would be something unpopular, like rap.



But if I take my tinfoil hat off, the government would see every thought of mine from the chip they secretly implanted in my brain from birth and then I would be institutionalized, and it's stylish. Duh.

You seem to be using at least three distinct and incompatible definitions of sheeple (and, my, what a despicable word choice): reasonable, pragmatic; moronic; and matter of taste. While we all bemoan that the Food and Drug Administration is beholden to pharmaceutical industry and partisan interests, the reality is that they still manage to do some good by imposing regulations on an industry where mistakes cost lives even if they do not execute this duty perfectly. Similarly, medical doctors have years of education in their profession and a personal investment in their performance. True, some doctors are apathetic or lazy; some are unethical; some partied too much in med school; but most have a much better idea about medicine than the average person. Now, you can always get all Jehovah's Witness and forswear all medical treatment and advice; but I bet after a terrible car accident or after developing a major illness, you're going to rethink your position. Same with innoculations, antibiotics, antiseptics, and the like. You can go back to the 18th century if you want; of course, your chances of dying of what is now a totally preventable or treatable disease would be much greater.

Since apparently you reject democracy, what political system do you support: theocracy, feudalism, tribalism, anarchism, monarchy, aristocracy, oligarchy, tyranny, fascism, Marxist-Leninist-style communism, something else? I take it you understand your denouncement of democracy implies you believe there is a better alternative. As for newslpapers, I agree with you that most of them are complete crap, and that isn't even factoring in any personal, editorial, corporate, or systemic biases (which mostly affect what is considered newsworthy in the more reputable newspapers rather than the objectivity of the coverage itself). Unfortunately, the blogosphere and sites like the Drudge Report tend to be even more biased and myopic. Why? Newspapers had to sell to a fairly diverse audience to stay afloat. The cost of operating a personal blog or website like the Drudge Report is low enough that anyone with enough time and determination can quite easily get something going. Not only that, but they can link into the blogs of like-minded people and never hear other perspectives.In the not-so-distant past, it would be difficult for someone with highly unusual opinions to find many of like mind, so they would have to consciously battle the majority view(s) and perhaps in the process develop a more sound worldview (or just close themselves off in solipsism).

As for drinking the proverbial Kool-Aid, what do you have against the Kool-Aid Man anyway? All he wants to do is hang around young children and randomly appear, shouting "Oh yeah!" in his deepest, most seductive voice. What's the harm there?

You seem to have turned a healthy skepticism of received wisdom and authority into an automatic, compulsive hatred for anything smacking of agreement with authority or convention. In other words, you must be a teenager. Your ability to fit in without a drop of individuality amongst the gothkin, anti-government Digg.com "Wake up!" ret*ds, and other groups founded on this compulsion is laudable.

Seem to have got LadyMacbeth and my posts a bit mixed together there old boy. Not to worry, you're still completely wrong.. its the WIZARDS causing it all. Dur.

Sheepo Confusio!! ! *cue music*

Just a head's up to all those who replied at length - if you have a specific question or can narrow it down to a shorter version I can reply - otherwise - just know i skim through and that's about it.

Also - I don't reply to those fishing for some kind of reaction by posting personal ad hominem BS. Never did and never will. Like my grandpappy used to say - say it nicely or go waste someone else's time and energy.

I loved my grandpappy.